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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeremy Kerr <jk@ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Delayed interrupt work, thread pools
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:00:09 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1215032409.21182.56.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1215007896.3330.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> If you really need the full scheduling capabilities of threads, then it
> sounds like a threadpool is all you need (and we should just provide a
> unified interface).

That's my thinking nowadays.

> Initially you were implying you'd prefer some type of non blockable
> workqueue (i.e. a workqueue that shifts to the next work item when and
> earlier item blocks).

That's also something I had in mind, I was tossing ideas around and
collecting feedback :-)

>    I can see this construct being useful because it
> would have easier to use semantics and be more lightweight than a full
> thread spawn.  It strikes me we could use some of the syslets work to do
> this ... 

Precisely what I had in mind.

> all the queue needs is an "next activation head", which will be
> the next job in the queue in the absence of blocking.  When a job
> blocks, syslets informs the workqueue and it moves on to the work on the
> "next activation head".  If a prior job unblocks, syslets informs the
> queue and it moves the "next activation head" to the unblocked job.
> What this is doing is implementing a really simple scheduler within a
> single workqueue, which I'm unsure is actually a good idea since
> schedulers are complex and tricky things, but it is probably worthy of
> discussion.

The question is: is that significantly less overhead than just spawning
a new full blown kernel thread ? enough to justify the complexity ? at
the end of the day, it means allocating a stack (which on ppc64 is still
16K, I know it sucks)... 

Ben.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-02 21:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-01 12:45 Delayed interrupt work, thread pools Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-01 12:53 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Matthew Wilcox
2008-07-01 13:38   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-01 13:02 ` Robin Holt
2008-07-02  1:39   ` Dean Nelson
2008-07-02  2:38     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-02  2:47       ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-02 14:27       ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Hugh Dickins
2008-07-02  4:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-02  5:44   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-02 11:02     ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-02 11:19       ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-07-02 11:24         ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-02 20:57       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-02 14:11     ` James Bottomley
2008-07-02 20:00       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-02 20:22         ` James Bottomley
2008-07-02 20:28           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-02 20:40           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-02 21:02         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-02 21:00       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2008-07-03 10:12         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03 10:31           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-07 14:09       ` Chris Mason
2008-07-07 23:03         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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