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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	David Wilder <dwilder@us.ibm.com>,
	hch@lst.de, Tom Zanussi <zanussi@comcast.net>,
	Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:11:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1222272686.16700.162.camel@lappy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33307c790809240847r31c8b683na15ff5488b60d25b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 08:47 -0700, Martin Bligh wrote:
> Thanks for creating this so quickly ;-)
> 
> >> We can record either the fast way of reserving a part of the buffer:
> >>
> >> event = ring_buffer_lock_reserve(buffer, event_id, length, &flags);
> >> event->data = record_this_data;
> >> ring_buffer_unlock_commit(buffer, event, flags);
> >
> > This can, in generic, not work. Due to the simple fact that we might
> > straddle a page boundary. Therefore I think its best to limit our self
> > to the write interface below, so that it can handle that.
> 
> I'm not sure why this is any harder to deal with in write, than it is
> in reserve? We should be able to make reserve handle this just
> as well?

No, imagine the mentioned case where we're straddling a page boundary.

A----|   |----B
    ^------|

So when we reserve we get a pointer into page A, but our reserve length
will run over into page B. A write() method will know how to check for
this and break up the memcpy to copy up-to the end of A and continue
into B.

You cannot expect the reserve/commit interface users to do this
correctly - it would also require one to expose too much internals,
you'd need to be able to locate page B for starters.

> If you use write rather than reserve, you have to copy all the data
> twice for every event.

Well, once. I'm not seeing where the second copy comes from.

> > On top of that foundation build an eventbuffer, which knows about
> > encoding/decoding/printing events.
> >
> > This too needs to be a flexible layer -
> 
> That would be nice. However, we need to keep at least the length
> and timestamp fields common so we can do parsing and the mergesort?

And here I was thinking you guys bit encoded the event id into the
timestamp delta :-)

> +struct ring_buffer_event {
> +       unsigned long long counter;
> +       short type;
> +       short length;
> +       char body[];
> +} __attribute__((__packed__))
> 
> So type would move into the body here?

All of it would, basically I have no notion of an event in the
ringbuffer API. You write $something and your read routine would need to
be smart enough to figure it out.

The trivial case is a fixed size entry, in which case you always know
how much to read. A slightly more involved but still easy to understand
example might be a 7bit encoding and using the 8th bit for continuation.

Another option is to start out with a fixed sized header that contains a
length field.

But the raw ringbuffer layer, the one concerned with fiddling the pages
and writing/reading thereto need not be aware of anything else.

> > as I suspect the google guys
> > will want their ultra-compressed events back.
> 
> Is useful when gathering GB of data across 10,000 machines ;-)
> Also reduces general overhead for everyone to keep events small.

Exactly - which is why a flexible encoding layer makes sense to me -
aside from the abstraction itself.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-24 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-24  5:10 [RFC PATCH 0/3] An Unified tracing buffer (attempt) Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24  5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 15:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 15:44     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 10:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-24 15:47     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 16:11       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-09-24 16:24         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 16:37           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:56             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 17:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 18:01           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 20:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 16:26         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:49         ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 17:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 17:49             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:37                 ` David Miller
2008-09-24 20:48                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:51                   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:24                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-24 21:33                       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:47                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 21:03                   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:17                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 21:51                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 10:41                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-25 14:33                       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 14:53                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-25 15:05                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 15:25                             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 15:36                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 16:23                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:32                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:20                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 17:32                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 16:40                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 16:53                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:07                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 19:55                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:12                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 20:29                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 20:47                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 21:01                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 21:10                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:16                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:41                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:56                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:58                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 22:14                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 23:33                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-27 17:16                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-27 17:36                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-27 17:38                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-27 17:50                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-27 18:18                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-27 18:42                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:52                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:14                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 21:15                                               ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 20:29                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 20:20                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:02                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 21:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 22:25                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 22:45                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 23:04                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 23:25                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-26 14:04                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-25 22:39                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 22:55                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-26  1:17                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26  1:27                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26  1:49                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 22:59                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26  1:27                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26  1:35                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26  2:07                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26  2:25                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26  5:31                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 10:41                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 15:26                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:39                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 18:14                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 15:20                           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 17:54             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 18:04               ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 20:39                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:56                   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:08                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:53                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 22:28                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 22:41                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:15                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 17:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:42                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:37                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:02                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:13       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 16:31         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 16:51           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24  5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] ftrace: combine some print formating Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24  5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] ftrace: hack in the ring buffer Steven Rostedt

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