From: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>
To: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] documentation: explain memory barriers
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:58:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1223546298.3984.100.camel@achroite> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48ED9BFB.4060904@redhat.com>
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 01:51 -0400, Chris Snook wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:17:58 -0400 Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Randy Dunlap wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:54:04 -0700 Andrew Morton wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This sequence is repeated three or four times and should be pulled out
> >>>> into a well-commented function. That comment should explain the logic
> >>>> behind the use of these barriers, please.
> >>> and on 2008-OCT-08 Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> All memory barriers need a comment to explain why and what they're doing.
> >
> > I approve this message.
> >
> >> Seriously? When a barrier is used, it's generally self-evident what
> >> it's doing.
> >
> > fs/buffer.c:sync_buffer(). Have fun.
>
> The real disaster there is the clear_buffer_##name macro and friends, as
> evidenced by fs/ext2/inode.c:599
>
> clear_buffer_new(bh_result); /* What's this do? */
>
> I'm completely in favor of documenting everything that can potentially interact
> with that train wreck, but I maintain that the vast majority of memory barriers
> are self-evident.
Acquire and release barriers attached to operations are usually self-
evident; standalone wmb() and rmb() much less so. It is helpful to be
explicit about exactly which memory operations need to be ordered, which
are often not the memory operations immediately preceding and following
it. "all" may have been a bit strong though.
Ben.
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Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2008-09-22 21:10 ` [PATCH] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 0:48 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 22:34 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 22:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 23:11 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 23:46 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24 18:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:51 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:52 ` [PATCH 2/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-02 5:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-05 22:11 ` RFC: one-bit mutexes (was: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Memory management livelock) Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-11 12:06 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-20 20:14 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-21 1:51 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-05 22:14 ` [PATCH 1/3] bit mutexes Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:14 ` [PATCH 2/3] Fix fsync livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:02 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:18 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 0:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 0:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 3:30 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 4:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 13:00 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 13:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 20:44 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-08 10:56 ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-06 2:51 ` Dave Chinner
2008-10-05 22:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] Fix fsync-vs-write misbehavior Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-09 1:12 ` [PATCH] documentation: explain memory barriers Randy Dunlap
2008-10-09 1:17 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09 1:31 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-09 5:51 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09 9:58 ` Ben Hutchings [this message]
2008-10-09 21:27 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 17:29 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 1:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-09 17:35 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 6:52 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-24 18:53 ` [PATCH 3/3] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 2:32 ` [PATCH] " Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 2:40 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03 2:59 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 3:14 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03 3:47 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 3:56 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03 4:07 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 4:17 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03 4:29 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:43 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:27 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:53 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 2:54 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:26 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:31 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 14:50 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 14:36 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 15:52 ` application syncing options (was Re: [PATCH] Memory management livelock) david
2008-10-06 0:04 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 0:19 ` david
2008-10-06 3:42 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07 3:37 ` david
2008-10-07 15:44 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07 17:16 ` david
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