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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Stop scaring users with "treason uncloaked!"
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:06:13 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1229641573.3726.563.camel@calx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1LDRbc-0000Ro-1j@gondolin.me.apana.org.au>

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 09:44 +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com> wrote:
> > These debug messages are uninformative and extremely alarming. Rather
> > than reporting a peer as a treacherous attacker, report it more
> > correctly as simply broken. 
> 
> What's next, you're going to remove "printer on fire" as well?
> This message has been there for eons and is part of Linux lore.

No one has printer ports any more so it hardly seems worth the trouble.

Most people won't actually think their printer is on fire. But most
people WILL think there is serious cause for concern when they see this
for the first time in dmesg. Many will search the net for explanations
and come away confused and not entirely reassured. And at least one
clueless guy will call the police because he still thinks he's under
attack.

Now that certainly fits my definition of amusing and if my goal for
Linux was to amuse myself at the expense of users, I'd be all for
keeping it[1]. But perversely, I actually want users to enjoy their
Linux experience.

[1] Hell, I'd probably even get them to use git.
-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-12-18 23:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-18 22:16 [PATCH] Stop scaring users with "treason uncloaked!" Matt Mackall
2008-12-18 22:33 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-12-18 22:36   ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-18 23:50   ` Matt Mackall
2008-12-19  0:15     ` David Miller
2008-12-19  3:49       ` Matt Mackall
2008-12-19  3:54         ` David Miller
2008-12-19 18:13       ` markus reichelt
2008-12-19  0:08   ` David Miller
2008-12-18 22:44 ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-18 22:49   ` Alan Cox
2008-12-18 23:02     ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-18 23:14       ` Alan Cox
2008-12-19  0:07         ` David Miller
2008-12-18 23:06   ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2008-12-19  0:45     ` David Schwartz
2008-12-19  0:55       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-12-19  0:58       ` Rick Jones
2009-01-26 17:46     ` Lennart Sorensen

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