Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Joe Perches]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 04:59 +0000, Linux Kernel Mailing List wrote:
>     [XFS] Update maintainers
>     New maintainer contact and new tree location.
> ---
>  MAINTAINERS |    4 ++--
>  1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> index a018844..5f74bce 100644
> --- a/MAINTAINERS
> +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> @@ -4824,11 +4824,11 @@ S:	Supported
>  
>  XFS FILESYSTEM
>  P:	Silicon Graphics Inc
> -P:	Tim Shimmin
> +P:	Bill O'Donnell
>  M:	xfs-masters@oss.sgi.com
>  L:	xfs@oss.sgi.com
>  W:	http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
> -T:	git git://oss.sgi.com:8090/xfs/xfs-2.6.git
> +T:	git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
>  S:	Supported

Should your email address appear here?  Perhaps:

XFS FILESYSTEM
P:	Bill O'Donnell
M:	billodo@sgi.com
P:	Silicon Graphics Inc
M:	xfs-masters@oss.sgi.com
L:	xfs@oss.sgi.com
W:	http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
T:	git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
S:	Supported

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Bill O'Donnell]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:35:36PM -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
| On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 04:59 +0000, Linux Kernel Mailing List wrote:
| >     [XFS] Update maintainers
| >     New maintainer contact and new tree location.
| > ---
| >  MAINTAINERS |    4 ++--
| >  1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
| > 
| > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
| > index a018844..5f74bce 100644
| > --- a/MAINTAINERS
| > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
| > @@ -4824,11 +4824,11 @@ S:	Supported
| >  
| >  XFS FILESYSTEM
| >  P:	Silicon Graphics Inc
| > -P:	Tim Shimmin
| > +P:	Bill O'Donnell
| >  M:	xfs-masters@oss.sgi.com
| >  L:	xfs@oss.sgi.com
| >  W:	http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
| > -T:	git git://oss.sgi.com:8090/xfs/xfs-2.6.git
| > +T:	git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
| >  S:	Supported
| 
| Should your email address appear here?  Perhaps:
| 
| XFS FILESYSTEM
| P:	Bill O'Donnell
| M:	billodo@sgi.com
| P:	Silicon Graphics Inc
| M:	xfs-masters@oss.sgi.com
| L:	xfs@oss.sgi.com
| W:	http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
| T:	git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
| S:	Supported
| 

No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address 
as a centralized SGI mail address.  In fact, it would be 
best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact 
completely centralized to SGI.  I propose the 
following:

XFS FILESYSTEM
P:	Silicon Graphics Inc
M:	xfs-masters@oss.sgi.com
L:	xfs@oss.sgi.com
W:	http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
T:	git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
S:	Supported

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Peter Zijlstra]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:05 -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
> No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address 
> as a centralized SGI mail address.  In fact, it would be 
> best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact 
> completely centralized to SGI.

Do I read this as nobody wanting to be personally responsible for XFS
anymore?

I suppose its a good thing we know where to find Christoph and Dave,
just in case.

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Bill O'Donnell]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 05:52:18PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
| On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:05 -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
| > No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address 
| > as a centralized SGI mail address.  In fact, it would be 
| > best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact 
| > completely centralized to SGI.
| 
| Do I read this as nobody wanting to be personally responsible for XFS
| anymore?

No, you're misunderstanding. Rather than a single POC, there are 
multiple contacts inside SGI, devoted to XFS.

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Christoph Hellwig]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:35:36PM -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
> Should your email address appear here?  Perhaps:

If it was supposed to reflect reality not SGI address should be listed
at all..

In either way listing a company as maintainer is wrong.  Maintainers
are invidual persons or teams thereof and not companies.

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Joe Perches]

On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 16:06 -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> In either way listing a company as maintainer is wrong.  Maintainers
> are invidual persons or teams thereof and not companies.

I believe:

It's better to have individuals listed
Front-end company/org addresses should be OK
Names without email addresses should not be OK

Other front-end addresses from MAINTAINERS:

AACRAID SCSI RAID DRIVER
P:	Adaptec OEM Raid Solutions
M:	aacraid@adaptec.com

DVB SUBSYSTEM AND DRIVERS
P:	LinuxTV.org Project
M:	linux-media@vger.kernel.org

HIGHPOINT ROCKETRAID 3xxx RAID DRIVER
P:	HighPoint Linux Team
M:	linux@highpoint-tech.com

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Christoph Hellwig]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 06:14:50PM -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 04:06:19PM -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> | On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:35:36PM -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
> | > Should your email address appear here?  Perhaps:
> | 
> | If it was supposed to reflect reality not SGI address should be listed
> | at all..
> OK, I'm going to ignore this sarcasm.

It's not sarcasm.  Show me a single person still at SGI when Lachlan
finally goes that had a single commit to XFS in the last two years, or
for that matter did any community bug triage.

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Bill O'Donnell]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 04:06:19PM -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
| On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:35:36PM -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
| > Should your email address appear here?  Perhaps:
| 
| If it was supposed to reflect reality not SGI address should be listed
| at all..
OK, I'm going to ignore this sarcasm.

| 
| In either way listing a company as maintainer is wrong.  Maintainers
| are invidual persons or teams thereof and not companies.
| 

I think there are other cases of generic addresses in the file.

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Dave Chinner]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 05:52:18PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:05 -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
> > No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address 
> > as a centralized SGI mail address.  In fact, it would be 
> > best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact 
> > completely centralized to SGI.
> 
> Do I read this as nobody wanting to be personally responsible for XFS
> anymore?
> 
> I suppose its a good thing we know where to find Christoph and Dave,
> just in case.

FWIW, both Christoph and I are on that xfs-masters email list - it's
not actually a "sgi" point of contact at all...

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Bill O'Donnell]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 02:06:57PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
| On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 05:52:18PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
| > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:05 -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
| > > No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address 
| > > as a centralized SGI mail address.  In fact, it would be 
| > > best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact 
| > > completely centralized to SGI.
| > 
| > Do I read this as nobody wanting to be personally responsible for XFS
| > anymore?
| > 
| > I suppose its a good thing we know where to find Christoph and Dave,
| > just in case.
| 
| FWIW, both Christoph and I are on that xfs-masters email list - it's
| not actually a "sgi" point of contact at all...

OK, thanks Dave, we'll fix it up sometime next week.
Cheers-
Bill

Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

[Alan Cox]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:21:49 -0800
Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 16:06 -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > In either way listing a company as maintainer is wrong.  Maintainers
> > are invidual persons or teams thereof and not companies.
> 
> I believe:
> 
> It's better to have individuals listed
> Front-end company/org addresses should be OK
> Names without email addresses should not be OK

Agreed entirely - people move between companies. In many cases we've had
tons of stuff to maintainers simply go missing because people left,
Having it go to internal groups makes a lot more sense if that is what
people want.