From: "Nicholas A. Bellinger" <nab@linux-iscsi.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Spamming linux-kernel and linux-scsi by out-of-tree patches (LIO)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:15:24 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1232990124.24642.156.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090126081905.7c112170@infradead.org>
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 08:19 -0800, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:08:24 +0300
> Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net> wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't object if Nicholas des the same and send in linux-scsi
> > and linux-kernel a complete patchset, which we will review and
> > discuss. But he sends *intermediate* patches and this looks for me
> > like a violation of fundamental rules/intention of Linux kernel
> > mailing lists, hence I complain.
> >
> > So, should I understand your words that you agree if I also start
> > sending intermediate patches for SCST to linux-scsi/linux-kernel?
> >
>
>
> <looking in as an outsider>
>
> I am thoroughly surprised by this email exchange.
> From where I sit, there is almost no such thing as posting patches too
> early. Really. Transparency and early review/feedaback is by far
> more important than ignoring a few more patches in an area you
> don't careabout.
>
For those wanting to know more about "Release Early, Release Often":
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04.html
<SNIP>
Linus's open development policy was the very opposite of
cathedral-building. Linux's Internet archives were burgeoning, multiple
distributions were being floated. And all of this was driven by an
unheard-of frequency of core system releases.
Linus was treating his users as co-developers in the most effective
possible way:
7. Release early. Release often. And listen to your customers.
Linus's innovation wasn't so much in doing quick-turnaround releases
incorporating lots of user feedback (something like this had been
Unix-world tradition for a long time), but in scaling it up to a level
of intensity that matched the complexity of what he was developing. In
those early times (around 1991) it wasn't unknown for him to release a
new kernel more than once a day! Because he cultivated his base of
co-developers and leveraged the Internet for collaboration harder than
anyone else, this worked.
<SNIP>
--nab
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-26 17:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-26 13:17 Spamming linux-kernel and linux-scsi by out-of-tree patches (LIO) Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-01-26 15:37 ` James Bottomley
2009-01-26 16:08 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-01-26 16:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-01-26 16:44 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-01-26 17:15 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger [this message]
2009-01-26 16:37 ` James Bottomley
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