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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jesse Barnes <jesse.barnes@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>
Subject: Re: PCI PM: Restore standard config registers of all devices early
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:07:37 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1233608857.18767.113.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0902021241430.3247@localhost.localdomain>


> I suspect that we could possibly make ACPI happy by actually leaving 
> interrupts "enabled" in the suspend-late (and early-resume) paths, but 
> with all hardware interrupts actually turned off. But that's really just a 
> "let's fool people by turning off interrupts a different way" thing - it 
> in no way really changes any fundamental issues.

Well, it might be the right approach ... for the simple reason that ACPI
doesn't -really- need external interrupts off ... it's a side effect of
the interpreter using mutexes etc... 

So maybe indeed we should look into doing something like that, in fact,
I quite like it:

 * suspend:

    - suspend devices with IRQs on
    - suspend PICs (ie, mask all interrupts). the main kernel clock 
      source should be kept running tho
    - do the device suspend "late" thing involving ACPI etc..

 * resume:

     the other way around.

Do we still need a real suspend "late" with hard IRQs off in that
scenario ?

Granted, because we are still effectively scheduling etc... we might
have the driver being hit by requests etc... so the suspend_late in the
above setup loses the property of being shielded against that...

> Whether you use "disable_irq() over all interrupts" or "local_irq_save -> 
> local_irq_restore" really doesn't change anything. You cannot do this in a 
> single phase, because that means that you randomly disable interrupts too 
> early (or enable them too late) when drivers still _require_ them.

Well, sort-of. IE. local_irq_save() vs. disable_irq() has a relevant
difference in our context ... the ability to use mutexes, msleep, etc...
which may allow ACPI to operate.

I don't care about ACPI on powerpc, so I'm happy hooking the gating with
irqs off ... but the existing hook isn't in the right place imho.

> Quite frankly, I don't think the second one is workable. It may be the 
> optimal one in theory, but it's never worked for us in practice.

True, it's going to be a pain. However, I still think you're going to
be bitten somewhere if you whack config space back before you called
the appropriate ACPI magic to resume the device, but I may be wrong,
maybe nobody will ever implement really aggressive power management
in their AML ? :-)

Cheers,
Ben.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-02 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200901261904.n0QJ4Q9c016709@hera.kernel.org>
2009-02-02  9:54 ` PCI PM: Restore standard config registers of all devices early Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 17:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 20:29     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 20:41       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 21:00         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 21:32           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-02 20:33     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 20:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 20:55         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 21:19           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 21:39           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-02 22:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 22:09               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 22:31               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-02 23:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 23:45                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-02 23:59                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03  0:15                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03  0:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03  1:12                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  1:32                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03  1:46                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  3:30                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  3:47                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03  4:03                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  6:07                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03 15:48                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 22:59                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03 23:23                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03 16:33                             ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-03  0:15                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03  0:58                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  3:51                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  3:55                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  4:09                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03  4:21                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  9:26                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03 17:04                       ` Reworking suspend-resume sequence (was: Re: PCI PM: Restore standard config registers of all devices early) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03 17:59                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 18:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 18:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 18:32                           ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-03 18:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 19:03                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 19:13                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 19:38                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 19:53                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 20:04                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 20:18                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 20:57                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 21:04                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 21:12                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-02-04 10:07                                               ` Russell King
2009-02-03 21:18                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 19:19                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 21:11                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03 21:53                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03 22:33                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03 22:44                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03 23:05                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03 23:18                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-04  0:27                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-04  8:02                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 23:25                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-05  8:19                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-05 19:09                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03 23:25                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-04  0:46                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 21:02                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03 21:56                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03 17:53                       ` PCI PM: Restore standard config registers of all devices early Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 21:57                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-02 22:48               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 23:00                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03  0:23                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  0:29                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03  0:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03  1:32                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  5:06                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 11:06                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-03 12:09                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-02 23:49               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 22:09                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03 23:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 22:28             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 21:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2009-02-02 21:49           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-02 22:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 22:33               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-02 22:56                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03  0:11                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-03  0:21                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-10 20:25                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-02 22:57               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 23:22                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-03  1:03                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-10 20:25                     ` kmalloc during suspend, was " Pavel Machek
2009-02-02 17:20   ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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