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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Dominique Toupin <dominique.toupin@ericsson.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	mingo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	acme@ghostprotocols.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] new irq tracer
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:23:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1235719394.4948.1261.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090227121053.152B.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 12:14 +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > > Given this scenario :
> > > > 
> > > > A telecommunication system runs, but the client notices 
> > > something wrong.
> > > > They call their service provider. The provider enables tracing 
> > > > _remotely_ on the _production system_ while it's _active in 
> > > the field_.
> > > > 
> > > > Bam, those few milliseconds interrupt latencies become unacceptable.
> > > > 
> > > > Hopefully this scenario makes the use-case clearer. The 
> > > problem is not 
> > > > that interrupt latencies would occur while tracing is on, 
> > > but rather 
> > > > that it would happen on a running production system when switching 
> > > > tracing on. This is what is totally unacceptable for this use-case.
> > > > 
> > > > For more details about such requirements, I'm CCing 
> > > Dominique Toupin 
> > > > from Ericsson who I'm sure would be happy to give more 
> > > details about 
> > > > this if needed.
> > > 
> > > Hmm, so this system in the field is running Linux with the 
> > > Real-Time Patch?  Because if it isn't it will suffer from 
> > > millisecond latencies in normal operation.
> >
> > In many cases we don't use Linux real-time, we have many systems that
> > are soft-real-time an non real-time Linux is good enough.
> >  
> 
> Agreed, rt-patch seems off topics. we discuss to mainline kernel.

Exactly, hence you should not worry about ms irq-off latencies, since
mainline is happy to generate those for you, regardless of
function-trace.

The only way to complain about those is if your base system is better
than that, and currently only preempt-rt provides that.

So unless you're on preempt-rt, complaining about ms-order irq latencies
just isn't a valid argument.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-27  7:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-18 19:53 [PATCH] new irq tracer Jason Baron
2009-02-18 20:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-18 20:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-19  1:42   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-18 20:30 ` Kyle McMartin
2009-02-18 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-18 21:35   ` Jason Baron
2009-02-18 21:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-18 22:02       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-02-18 22:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-18 22:23           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-02-18 23:21             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-20 19:52           ` Jason Baron
2009-02-21  3:39             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-02-22  3:38             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-25 16:48               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-02-25 16:57                 ` Jason Baron
2009-02-25 17:34                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-25 18:05                     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-25 22:12                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-25 22:20                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-02-25 23:13                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-26  1:41                             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-26 12:37                               ` Dominique Toupin
2009-02-27  3:14                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-27  3:29                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-27  3:36                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-27  7:48                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-27  8:06                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-27  8:13                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-27 13:10                                           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-02-27 14:43                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-27  7:23                                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-02-25 22:21                         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-26 15:11                     ` Jason Baron
2009-02-26 15:32                       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-26 15:35                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-26 15:40                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-26 16:20                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-02-27  3:35                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-27  3:33                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-27  7:25                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-25 16:58                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-25 17:19                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-02-27  3:08                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-18 23:34       ` Kyle McMartin
2009-02-19  2:13       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-02-19  1:46   ` Frederic Weisbecker

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