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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:46:05 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1236357965.10626.51.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090306162337.GA3040@us.ibm.com>

On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:23 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Which imo is fine, but my question is whether that leaves any actual
> value in the persistent per-resource uncheckpointable flag.

OK, let's take a look back at this discussion a little bit and how we
got here.

Ingo quotes:
> Yeah, per resource it should be. That's per task in the normal 
> case - except for threaded workloads where it's shared by 
> threads.

> Uncheckpointable should be a one-way flag anyway. We want this 
> to become usable, so uncheckpointable functionality should be as 
> painful as possible, to make sure it's getting fixed ...

> Is there any automated test that could discover C/R breakage via 
> brute force? All that matters in such cases is to get the "you 
> broke stuff" information as soon as possible. If it comes at an 
> early stage developers can generally just fix stuff.

You add these things together and you get what I posted.  My patch is:
1. per resource
2. has a one way flag
3. Gives messages to developers at an early stage (dmesg) and lets them
   explore it more thoroughly (/proc)

But, these "early stage" messages are completely opposed to an approach
that uses sys_checkpoint() in some form (like with a -1 fd as an
argument).

Think of it like lockdep.  We *could* have designed lockdep to simply
give us a nice message whenever we do an a/b b/a deadlock.  That would
be helpful.  Or, we could design it to record all lock acquisitions that
didn't deadlock to see if they ever possibly deadlock.  (We did the
second one, btw).  That gave an early, useful, warning that developers
could fix before we encounter an actual problem.  I'm advocating such a
mechanism for c/r.  

-- Dave


  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-06 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-05 16:38 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/11] kill '_data' in cr_hdr_fd_data name Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/11] breakout fdinfo sprintf() into its own function Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/11] Introduce generic_file_checkpoint() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/11] actually use f_op in checkpoint code Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/11] add generic checkpoint f_op to ext fses Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  2:50   ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/11] add checkpoint_file_generic() to /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/11] file c/r: expose functions to query fs support Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/11] expose file checkpointability and reasoning in /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/11] check files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-09 17:38   ` Matt Helsley
2009-03-12 19:14     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] add checkpoint/restart compile helper Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] optimize c/r check in dup_fd() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 17:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 19:16   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 21:08     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 21:27       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 22:00         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 22:24           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 14:34             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 15:48               ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 16:23                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 16:46                   ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2009-03-06 18:24                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 19:42                       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  3:05               ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-06 15:08           ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-06 15:35             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 17:36               ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-06 18:30                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-11  7:51                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-12 15:30                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13  6:36                       ` Ensuring c/r maintainability (WAS Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability) Matt Helsley
2009-03-13 17:53                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 19:44   ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 18:16   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 15:57 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:00   ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:23     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:20   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:23     ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 17:45       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:47         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 16:22   ` Dave Hansen

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