From: Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Reduce the default HZ value
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:09:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1241561394.8665.31.camel@alok-dev1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090505224417.0f00c2f0@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 14:44 -0700, Alan Cox wrote:
> > What is the benefit of this?
>
> I believe the "benefit" is that a certain posters proprietary
> virtualisation product works better.
Hi Alan,
I posted numbers that I had, and I don't think that the problem is
limited just to virtualization or our platform.
> > I can see at least one immediate downside: some timeout values in the
> > kernel are still maintained in units of HZ (like poll, I believe), and
> > so with a lower HZ value we'll have higher roundoff errors.
>
> And HZ=100 actually causes real problems for some video work (not in
> Europe where its just peachy). We switched to 1000Hz a very long time ago
> because it improved desktop feel and responsiveness. We switched to
> tickless to keep that behaviour with good power and idle behaviour.
IMO, one of the main motives of HRT implementation apart from getting
higher precision timers was that we now don't necessarily need to rely
on a high timer frequency. If you see problems with Desktop feel and
responsiveness don't you think there would be other problem which might
be causing that ? Your argument about the "desktop feel and
responsiveness" doesn't explain what actual problem did you see.
Also there are lots of distribution kernels which ship with a lower HZ
value anyway, so I don't see why is HZ=1000 such a big requirement for
your desktop use case.
Alok
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-05 22:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-04 18:44 [PATCH] x86: Reduce the default HZ value Alok Kataria
2009-05-05 21:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-05 21:44 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-05 22:09 ` Alok Kataria [this message]
2009-05-05 22:33 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-05 23:37 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-07 14:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:12 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-05 21:57 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-07 14:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:14 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 15:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-07 15:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 16:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-07 17:09 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 17:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-07 19:51 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 20:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-07 20:30 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 16:37 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-07 17:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 17:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 19:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 17:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 17:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 18:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 18:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 19:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 19:53 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 19:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 20:24 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 20:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 10:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-08 12:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-08 14:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 15:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 17:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 19:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 19:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-07 16:35 ` Chris Snook
2009-05-07 16:56 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-07 20:29 ` Chris Snook
2009-05-07 20:34 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 22:16 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2009-05-07 22:19 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-08 9:31 ` Alan Cox
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-05-12 19:45 devzero
2009-05-13 23:30 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-14 20:25 devzero
2009-05-14 20:29 ` Alan Cox
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