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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: INFO: possible circular locking dependency at cleanup_workqueue_thread
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:13:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242724380.26820.482.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090518221403.GA7393@redhat.com>

On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 00:14 +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 05/18, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 22:16 +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > On 05/18, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 21:47 +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This output looks obviously wrong, Z does not depend on L1 or any
> > > > > other lock.
> > > >
> > > > It does, L1 -> L2 -> Z as per 1 and 2
> > > > which 3 obviously reverses.
> > >
> > > Yes, yes, I see. And, as I said, I can't explain what I mean.
> > >
> > > I mean... The output above looks as if we take L1 and Z in wrong order.
> > > But Z has nothing to do with this deadlock, it can't depend on any lock
> > > from the correctness pov. Except yes, we have it in L1->L2->Z->L1 cycle.
> >
> > AB-BC-CA deadlock
> >
> > Thread 1		Thread 2		Thread 3
> >
> > L(L1)
> > 			L(L2)
> > 						L(Z)
> > L(L2)
> > 			L(Z)
> > 						L(L1)
> 
> Sure. Now Z really depends on L1. But if you change Thread 3 to take yet
> another unique lock X under Z, then lockdep will complain that X depends
> on L1, not Z.
> 
> To clarify, I do not say the output is bugggy. I only meant it could be
> better. But I don't understand how to improve it.
> 
> If we return to the original bug report, perhaps cpu_add_remove_lock
> has nothing to do with this problem... we could have the similar output
> if device_pm_lock() is called from work_struct.
> 
> > And you're saying, we can't have that deadlock because we don't have the
> > 3 separate functions?
> 
> No,
> 
> > That is, there is no concurrency on Z because its always taken under L2?
> 
> Yes, nobody else can hold Z when we take L2.
> 
> But this wasn't my point.
> 
> > For those situations we have the spin_lock_nest_lock(X, y) annotation,
> > where we say, there cannot be any concurrency on x element of X, because
> > all such locks are always taken under y.
> 
> We can just kill L(Z) instead of annotating, this changes nothing from
> the correctness pov, we have the same deadlock. But the output becomes
> very clear: L1 depends on L2.
> 
> 
> OK, please forget. Not sure why I started this thread. Just because I
> was surprised a bit when I figured out that lockdep's output does not
> match my naive expectations.

Well, since you're quite versed in the field, I'm guessing other people
might find it even more confusing -- so it might well do to explore this
situation a bit further, if only to see if we can make lockdep output
'easier'.

There is a solution to this, Gautham suggested it a while back, we could
make lockdep scan a lock (Z) his dependencies and if in every chain a
particular other lock (L2) was taken, ignore this lock (Z) his
dependency for the circular analysis at hand.

That would mean we would not find the Z->L1 dep to violate the existing
one, because we would ignore L2->Z (because in every Z we hold L2), and
we would indeed fail on the next: L2->L1 on the next line in your
initial program.

Implementing this however might be slightly less trivial than this
explanation -- it would however rid us of the spin_lock_nest_lock()
annotation's need.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-19  9:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-12  7:59 INFO: possible circular locking dependency at cleanup_workqueue_thread Zdenek Kabelac
2009-05-17  7:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-17 10:42   ` Ming Lei
2009-05-17 11:18   ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-17 13:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 19:47     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-18 20:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-18 20:16         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-18 20:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-18 22:14             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-19  9:13               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-05-19 10:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-19 14:53                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-19  8:51       ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-19 12:00         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-19 15:33           ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-19 16:09             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-19 16:27               ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-19 18:51                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-22 10:46                   ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-22 22:23                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-23  8:21                       ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-23 23:20                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-24  3:29                           ` Ming Lei
2009-05-24 11:09                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-24 12:48                               ` Ming Lei
2009-05-24 19:09                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-24 14:30                           ` Alan Stern
2009-05-24 19:06                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-20  3:36             ` Ming Lei
2009-05-20  6:47               ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-20  7:09                 ` Ming Lei
2009-05-20  7:12                   ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-20  8:21                     ` Ming Lei
2009-05-20  8:45                       ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-22  8:03                 ` Ming Lei
2009-05-22  8:11                   ` Johannes Berg
2009-05-20 12:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 13:18     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-20 13:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 13:55         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-20 14:12           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-24 18:58 ` Peter Zijlstra

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