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From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.ml.walleij@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Victor <linux@maxim.org.za>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@atmel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock().
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:09:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1243386578.3275.58.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090527002615.GA8845@linux-sh.org>

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 09:26 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:22:10PM -0700, john stultz wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 08:44 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> > > What would you recommend instead? We do not want to spin here, and if we
> > > are in the middle of changing clocksources and returning jiffies anyways,
> > > then this same issue pops up in the current sched_clock() implementation
> > > regardless of whether we are testing for lock contention or not.
> > > Likewise, even if we were to spin, the same situation exists if the new
> > > clocksource does not have the _SCHED_CLOCK bit set and we have to fall
> > > back on jiffies anyways, doesn't it?
> > > 
> > > Put another way, and unless I'm missing something obvious, if we ignore
> > > my changes to sched_clock(), how is your concern not applicable to case
> > > where we are changing clocksources and using generic sched_clock() as it
> > > is today?
> > 
> > Well, Thomas' point that locking isn't necessary, as sched_clock()
> > doesn't have to be correct, is probably right. 
> > 
> > So, I think a get_sched_clocksource() interface would be ideal (if we
> > want to get academic at a later date, the pointer could be atomically
> > updated, and we'd keep it valid for some time via an rcu like method).
> > 
> > Additionally, you can set the jiffies clocksource as a _SCHED_CLOCK
> > clocksource and drop the jiffies fallback code completely.
> > 
> I thought about that initially as well, but in the case of the jiffies
> clocksource, that won't handle INITIAL_JIFFIES, which we want to subtract
> to make printk times sane.

Fair point, but that shouldn't be a big issue, we can fix that in the
jiffies clocksource read() implementation.

thanks
-john



  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-27  1:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-26  6:15 [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:31 ` Linus Walleij
2009-05-26 14:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:17     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:08       ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:13         ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:25         ` john stultz
2009-05-26 23:44           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27  0:18             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  0:22             ` john stultz
2009-05-27  0:26               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27  1:09                 ` john stultz [this message]
2009-05-27  0:27               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:49         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  0:15           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27 16:25             ` Daniel Walker
2009-05-28  8:44               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28  9:19               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28  9:34                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 11:09                   ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 12:22                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:40                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 12:42                       ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 12:53                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:59                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 13:20                           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:13                           ` Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:32                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 16:40                               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:52                                 ` Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:58                                   ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 17:38                                     ` Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 17:46                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:53                                       ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 18:10                                         ` Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 18:27                                           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 19:04                                             ` Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 19:34                                               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 19:41                                                 ` Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 23:37                                                   ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 18:44                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:00                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:07                                 ` John Stultz
2009-05-26 20:23     ` john stultz
2009-05-26 20:30       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:40         ` john stultz
2009-05-26 20:55           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 23:00             ` john stultz
2009-05-26 23:24               ` Mangalampalli, JayantX
2009-05-27  0:04                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:39               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  6:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:39       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 14:43   ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 14:53       ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 15:02   ` Matthieu CASTET

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