From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>
Cc: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:52:16 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1243569136.17903.27.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A1F4189.8060702@firmworks.com>
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 09:59 +0800, Mitch Bradley wrote:
> I have an embeddable FCode interpreter that could be built into a
> kernel. Perhaps it's time to resurrect that. The total size is on the
> order of 50K with debugging tools included; probably more like 35K if
> stripped down to just the essentials.
It's interesting... might be an option. I tend to prefer myself having
the methods be properly documented by the HW designer, and implemented
as C code in the kernel, for various reasons.
There are pro and cons to both approaches. We could define special
properties to embed f-code in the device-tree and run it that way, it's
probably a more business-friendly method :-) IE. It makes it possible
to completely avoid board specific code in the kernel, possibly making
it feasible to run existing distributions on new HW to a certain
extend by just updating those scripts.
But it comes with some drawbacks too... too often, this stuff will
replace good documentation, the scripts provided by the FW will be
busted in subtle ways that the kernel will have to work around, and thus
it can be used as a way to avoid documenting or open sourcing things and
obfuscating operations.
So at this stage, my personal preference goes for well defined methods
named by the device tree and implemented by the kernel natively. But
people are free to disagree with me on this one.
Cheers,
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-29 3:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-27 7:08 [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Janboe Ye
2009-05-27 14:27 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:39 ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 15:05 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 15:39 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 16:20 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 23:48 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:52 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:58 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-28 0:02 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 0:07 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 0:15 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:37 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 22:32 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-29 12:34 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-30 9:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 10:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-30 17:56 ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02 7:57 ` Holger Schurig
2009-06-02 9:48 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 2:57 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 3:36 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:29 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 9:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28 9:59 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:13 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 13:33 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:42 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 9:38 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28 3:21 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:16 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 0:55 ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-27 18:56 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 20:46 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:32 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 15:41 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:23 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 17:56 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:08 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:13 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-27 19:39 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:22 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:19 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:54 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:04 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 23:57 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 0:00 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 3:21 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 6:34 ` Wolfram Sang
2009-05-28 7:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:34 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 7:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:22 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-27 20:28 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:31 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 2:52 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 4:27 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 4:47 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 5:31 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 5:47 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:17 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-28 14:24 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 14:47 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 19:29 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:47 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-27 19:53 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:54 ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:25 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:55 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:26 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-05-27 20:14 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:23 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:48 ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:56 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:52 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 21:05 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 0:11 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:43 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 13:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 15:04 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 15:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-29 0:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 7:52 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-29 9:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-31 10:52 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 14:31 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:25 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 8:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 20:43 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 7:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 9:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 9:57 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:33 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:34 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 22:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:14 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 21:30 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 12:17 ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-28 12:48 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:55 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 14:13 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 16:53 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 17:05 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 18:46 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 22:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 1:39 ` David Gibson
2009-05-29 1:59 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-29 3:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2009-05-29 4:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-29 4:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-29 4:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 5:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 11:44 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 12:47 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 14:39 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 18:26 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:32 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 18:50 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 22:24 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 0:04 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:07 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 20:42 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:38 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 3:02 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:38 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 22:01 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-28 8:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 12:43 ` Holger Schurig
2009-05-28 13:12 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 17:44 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:52 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:44 ` David Gibson
2009-05-30 11:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-31 1:29 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-31 5:56 ` David Miller
2009-06-01 8:37 ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-31 10:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-01 9:24 ` Stephen Rothwell
2009-06-01 10:36 ` Janboe Ye
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