From: "David P. Quigley" <dpquigl@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Cc: jmorris@namei.org, sds@tycho.nsa.gov,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Security/sysfs: Enable security xattrs to be set on sysfs files, directories, and symlinks.
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:28:58 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1247167738.4398.229.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090709175250.GB26378@suse.de>
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:52 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 01:13:33PM -0400, David P. Quigley wrote:
> > The issue is that there really aren't any LSM hooks to accommodate that.
> > I have a few LSM hooks for the Labeled NFS work which could be used for
> > this but it still requires us to store the full xattr value somewhere
> > and referencing it in the sysfs_dirent structure.
>
> A void pointer would handle that properly, right?
A void pointer would suffice if we wanted to store the opaque blob. My
argument is that storing that blob is too heavy weight memory wise.
>
> > The issue here is that there are two ways of presenting security
> > information. The first is through the xattr interface which represents
> > the security information as an opaque blob which the LSM turns into an
> > internal representation. The second which is left over from the early
> > days is the secid which I equate to a file handle. The problem I see
> > is that the opaque blob (the xattr) is the interface presented to user
> > space. It isn't really used internally except to turn it into a data
> > structure or to write it to disk for persistence.
>
> That is the way that selinux does it, do the other lsms also handle it
> this way?
Casey handles this a different way in Smack but it has more to do with
his model than his design. Since a Smack label is just a simple 23 byte
string he doesn't do any conversion to store it in Smack. SELinux
differs in that the label contains 4 components so these get broken out
into the security structure so they can be handled separately by the
security structure. I can't say for certain but I would probably say
that a label based LSM which attempts to implement several models will
probably have to do what SELinux does. The only thing I'm concerned with
is that Casey did mention when I was creating hooks for the Labeled NFS
work a situation where an LSM may implement multiple security.* xattrs.
We don't currently have any LSMs that work that way so I'm not sure if I
need to handle that now.
>
> > The situation we have with sysfs is that there is no persistence for
> > labels and the in-core inode maybe evicted so we need a way of
> > persisting changes from the default label.
>
> So you put it in the structure you did, which is correct. You should
> also listen to all sysfs netlink messages to be sure to lable things
> when they are created, to handle the lack of persistence.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll make sure I look into this.
>
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-09 19:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-08 17:28 [PATCH] Security/sysfs: Enable security xattrs to be set on sysfs files, directories, and symlinks David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 1:44 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-07-09 14:05 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 14:49 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-07-09 14:56 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 15:16 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 15:16 ` Greg KH
2009-07-09 14:11 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 17:26 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 17:50 ` Greg KH
2009-07-09 19:32 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 20:13 ` Greg KH
2009-07-10 3:25 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-07-13 15:07 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 15:18 ` Greg KH
2009-07-09 17:13 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 17:52 ` Greg KH
2009-07-09 19:28 ` David P. Quigley [this message]
2009-07-09 20:12 ` Greg KH
2009-07-09 20:19 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-09 20:41 ` Greg KH
2009-07-14 16:37 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-14 17:50 ` Greg KH
2009-07-14 20:16 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-14 20:35 ` Greg KH
2009-07-14 20:35 ` David P. Quigley
[not found] ` <m1r5wmnee0.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
[not found] ` <1247498399.4398.259.camel@localhost>
2009-07-13 16:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-07-13 19:18 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-14 0:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-07-14 13:55 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-14 3:06 ` Casey Schaufler
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-07-15 13:48 David P. Quigley
2009-07-15 14:28 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-15 14:31 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-21 16:29 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-21 16:49 ` Greg KH
2009-07-21 16:34 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-21 17:01 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-24 8:13 ` James Morris
2009-07-24 14:34 ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-24 14:54 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-14 4:59 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-14 12:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-08-14 12:40 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-08-15 1:33 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-17 12:01 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-08-15 1:19 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-17 11:53 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-08-14 22:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-08-15 1:42 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-15 2:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-08-15 4:56 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-15 6:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-08-16 17:25 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-20 13:18 ` David P. Quigley
2009-08-21 3:38 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-09-03 18:25 David P. Quigley
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