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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Ted Baker <baker@cs.fsu.edu>
Cc: Dhaval Giani <dhaval.giani@gmail.com>,
	Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	"James H. Anderson" <anderson@cs.unc.edu>,
	Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>,
	Douglas Niehaus <niehaus@ittc.ku.edu>,
	Henrik Austad <henrik@austad.us>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Bill Huey <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>,
	Linux RT <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	Fabio Checconi <fabio@gandalf.sssup.it>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Noah Watkins <jayhawk@soe.ucsc.edu>,
	KUSP Google Group <kusp@googlegroups.com>,
	Tommaso Cucinotta <cucinotta@sssup.it>,
	Giuseppe Lipari <lipari@retis.sssup.it>,
	Bjoern Brandenburg <bbb@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:11:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1247735461.15471.92.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1247734722.15471.83.camel@twins>

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 10:58 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 19:16 -0400, Ted Baker wrote:
> > > > 1) The priority of a group seemed to be defined by the priority of
> > > > the highest-priority thread in the group's run-queue, which means
> > > > it varies dynamically according to which threads in the group are
> > > > contending.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > This is true, but it also ensures that the time allocated to the group
> > > is also consumed by group if it wants to.
> > 
> > I don't see how schedulability analysis can be done with this model,
> > since a single budget is being expended at varying priorities/deadlines.
> > 
> > > > 4) On an SMP, more than one thread could be running against
> > > > the same budget at the same time, resulting in budget over-charges.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > The rt group scheduler does split the budget per cpu. On expiring the
> > > budget, it tries to borrow from other CPUs if possible.
> > 
> > First, how is the splitting of the budget between CPU's controlled
> > by the application?
> > 
> > Second, I don't see how schedulabiliyt analysis could be done if
> > CPU's can "borrow" budget from other CPUs, unless there is some
> > mechanism in place to "pay it back".  How do you do the analysis?
> 
> Right so control-groups (cgroups for short) are a form of
> virtualization. Each controller is specific to a resource. We have
> memory controllers, namespace controllers and also a scheduler
> controller.
> 
> If you would apply all controllers to the same task groups you get a
> result like chroot on steroids, or jails etc. But you can also use them
> individually to control resources in creative ways.

To add to this, it is by no means a way of introducing deadline
scheduling to tasks, for that you're quite right in that we should
extend sched_setscheduler() and struct sched_param.

Somewhere before RTLWS we'll add:
 
 struct sched_param2;

 sys_sched_setscheduler2(pid_t pid, int policy, struct sched_param2 *param);
 sys_sched_setparam2(pid_t pid, struct sched_param2 *param);
 sys_sched_getparam2(pid_t pid, struct sched_param2 *param);

 SCHED_SOFT_DEADLINE (bounded tardiness)
 SCHED_DEADLINE      (no tardiness)

and hopefully enough hooks to make people happy :-)

The intention is to add these to -rt only for now, so that we can still
poke at the interfaces and only move then to mainline once the dust
settles down.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-16  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-10 21:50 RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel Henrik Austad
2009-07-11 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-12  2:40   ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 15:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 15:44       ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 16:33         ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 10:47           ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 11:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 18:19               ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 14:48             ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 15:19               ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 16:31                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 16:54                   ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 19:28                     ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-14 19:33                       ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:53                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  7:40                         ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-17 13:37                           ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15  4:25                     ` Bjoern B. Brandenburg
2009-07-15 20:55                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 21:53                       ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:34                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:39                           ` Dhaval Giani
2009-07-15 23:16                             ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  8:58                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16  9:11                                 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-07-17  0:32                                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17  0:43                                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:17                               ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 23:29                       ` Raistlin
2009-07-18 20:12                         ` Michal Sojka
2009-07-14 17:16                   ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:19                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 19:54                   ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 16:48               ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 18:24                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 19:14                   ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 22:14                   ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  7:17                     ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 23:13                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  0:19                         ` Raistlin
2009-07-17  7:31                         ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 14:46                     ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 22:34                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 23:07                         ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 21:45               ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:12                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:52                   ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 13:35             ` Giuseppe Lipari
2009-07-13 17:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 18:14           ` Noah Watkins
2009-07-13 20:13             ` Ted Baker
2009-07-13 21:45               ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 11:16                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 23:11                 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  7:58                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16  8:52                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-07-16 12:17                     ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:59                       ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-16 13:37                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 22:15                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:34                       ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 23:38                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  1:44                           ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 15:17                   ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 21:26                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:08                       ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 23:54                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14  9:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:07               ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 17:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:47           ` Raistlin
     [not found]     ` <002301ca0403$47f9d9d0$d7ed8d70$@tlh@comcast.net>
2009-07-13 23:47       ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-14  7:27         ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14  7:44           ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12  6:17   ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-13  9:55   ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 10:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 16:06       ` Raistlin
2009-07-14  8:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14  9:36           ` Raistlin
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2009-07-16 17:54 Raj Rajkumar

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