From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Ted Baker <baker@cs.fsu.edu>
Cc: Dhaval Giani <dhaval.giani@gmail.com>,
Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
"James H. Anderson" <anderson@cs.unc.edu>,
Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>,
Douglas Niehaus <niehaus@ittc.ku.edu>,
Henrik Austad <henrik@austad.us>,
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Bill Huey <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>,
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Fabio Checconi <fabio@gandalf.sssup.it>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Noah Watkins <jayhawk@soe.ucsc.edu>,
KUSP Google Group <kusp@googlegroups.com>,
Tommaso Cucinotta <cucinotta@sssup.it>,
Giuseppe Lipari <lipari@retis.sssup.it>,
Bjoern Brandenburg <bbb@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:11:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1247735461.15471.92.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1247734722.15471.83.camel@twins>
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 10:58 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 19:16 -0400, Ted Baker wrote:
> > > > 1) The priority of a group seemed to be defined by the priority of
> > > > the highest-priority thread in the group's run-queue, which means
> > > > it varies dynamically according to which threads in the group are
> > > > contending.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is true, but it also ensures that the time allocated to the group
> > > is also consumed by group if it wants to.
> >
> > I don't see how schedulability analysis can be done with this model,
> > since a single budget is being expended at varying priorities/deadlines.
> >
> > > > 4) On an SMP, more than one thread could be running against
> > > > the same budget at the same time, resulting in budget over-charges.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The rt group scheduler does split the budget per cpu. On expiring the
> > > budget, it tries to borrow from other CPUs if possible.
> >
> > First, how is the splitting of the budget between CPU's controlled
> > by the application?
> >
> > Second, I don't see how schedulabiliyt analysis could be done if
> > CPU's can "borrow" budget from other CPUs, unless there is some
> > mechanism in place to "pay it back". How do you do the analysis?
>
> Right so control-groups (cgroups for short) are a form of
> virtualization. Each controller is specific to a resource. We have
> memory controllers, namespace controllers and also a scheduler
> controller.
>
> If you would apply all controllers to the same task groups you get a
> result like chroot on steroids, or jails etc. But you can also use them
> individually to control resources in creative ways.
To add to this, it is by no means a way of introducing deadline
scheduling to tasks, for that you're quite right in that we should
extend sched_setscheduler() and struct sched_param.
Somewhere before RTLWS we'll add:
struct sched_param2;
sys_sched_setscheduler2(pid_t pid, int policy, struct sched_param2 *param);
sys_sched_setparam2(pid_t pid, struct sched_param2 *param);
sys_sched_getparam2(pid_t pid, struct sched_param2 *param);
SCHED_SOFT_DEADLINE (bounded tardiness)
SCHED_DEADLINE (no tardiness)
and hopefully enough hooks to make people happy :-)
The intention is to add these to -rt only for now, so that we can still
poke at the interfaces and only move then to mainline once the dust
settles down.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-16 9:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-10 21:50 RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel Henrik Austad
2009-07-11 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-12 2:40 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 15:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 15:44 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 16:33 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 10:47 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 11:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 18:19 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 14:48 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 15:19 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 16:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 16:54 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 19:28 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-14 19:33 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:53 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 7:40 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-17 13:37 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 4:25 ` Bjoern B. Brandenburg
2009-07-15 20:55 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 21:53 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:34 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:39 ` Dhaval Giani
2009-07-15 23:16 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 8:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 9:11 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-07-17 0:32 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17 0:43 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:17 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 23:29 ` Raistlin
2009-07-18 20:12 ` Michal Sojka
2009-07-14 17:16 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:19 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 19:54 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 16:48 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 18:24 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 19:14 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 22:14 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 7:17 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 23:13 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 0:19 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17 7:31 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 14:46 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 22:34 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 23:07 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 21:45 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:12 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:52 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 13:35 ` Giuseppe Lipari
2009-07-13 17:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 18:14 ` Noah Watkins
2009-07-13 20:13 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-13 21:45 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 11:16 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 23:11 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 7:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 8:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-07-16 12:17 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:59 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-16 13:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 22:15 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:34 ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 23:38 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 1:44 ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 15:17 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 21:26 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:08 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 23:54 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 9:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:07 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 17:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:47 ` Raistlin
[not found] ` <002301ca0403$47f9d9d0$d7ed8d70$@tlh@comcast.net>
2009-07-13 23:47 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-14 7:27 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 7:44 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 6:17 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-13 9:55 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 16:06 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 9:36 ` Raistlin
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2009-07-16 17:54 Raj Rajkumar
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