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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Leon Woestenberg <leon.woestenberg@gmail.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sven@thebigcorporation.com>,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org,
	rt-users <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Ben Dooks (embedded platforms)" <ben-linux@fluff.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: yield() in i2c non-happy paths hits BUG under -rt patch
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:15:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1258640154.3931.407.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091119150008.6e757c26@hyperion.delvare>

On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 15:00 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:

> > 	cond_resched();
> 
> Are you saying that most calls to yield() should be replaced with calls
> to cond_resched()?

No, depends on the reason yield() is used. Some cases can be replaced by
locking constructs, such as a condition variable.

> I admit I a little skeptical. While the description of cond_resched()
> ("latency reduction via explicit rescheduling in places that are safe")
> sounds promising, following the calls leads me to:
> 
> static inline int need_resched(void)
> {
> 	return unlikely(test_thread_flag(TIF_NEED_RESCHED));
> }
> 
> So apparently the condition for need_resched() to do anything is
> considered unlikely... suggesting that cond_resched() is a no-op in
> most cases? I don't quite get the point of moving away from sched()
> because it is a no-op, if we end up with a no-op under a different name.

TIF_NEED_RESCHED gets set by the scheduler whenever it decides current
needs to get preempted, its unlikely() because that reduces the code
impact of cond_resched() and similar in the case we don't schedule, if
we do schedule() a mis-predicted branch isn't going to be noticed on the
overhead of scheduling.

So there's a few cases,

1) PREEMPT=n
2) Voluntary preempt
3) PREEMPT=y


1) non of this has any effect, if the scheduler wants to reschedule a
task that's in the kernel, it'll have to wait until it gets back to
user-space.

2) uses cond_resched() and similar to have explicit preemption points,
so we don't need to wait as long as 1).

3) preempts directly when !preempt_count(), when IRQs are disabled, the
IPI that will accompany TIF_NEED_RESCHED will be delayed and
local_irq_enable()/restore() will effect a reschedule due to the pending
IPI. If preemption was disabled while the IPI hit nothing will happen,
but preempt_enable() will do the reschedule once preempt_count reaches
0.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-19 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <c384c5ea0911071101u7415d37o2611c542e5fae309@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <20091107210147.3e754278@hyperion.delvare>
     [not found]   ` <4AF7148C.9090706@thebigcorporation.com>
     [not found]     ` <20091112211255.09cd884a@hyperion.delvare>
2009-11-13 22:03       ` yield() in i2c non-happy paths hits BUG under -rt patch Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-14 18:02         ` Jean Delvare
2009-11-16 15:56         ` Mark Brown
2009-11-18  0:50           ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-11-18  1:05             ` Alan Cox
2009-11-18 16:28               ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-11-18 16:52                 ` Jean Delvare
2009-11-18 20:36                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19 12:05                     ` Jean Delvare
2009-11-19 12:59                       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-19 13:06                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-19 14:00                           ` Jean Delvare
2009-11-19 14:15                             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-11-19 13:11                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19 13:21                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-19 13:22                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19 13:18                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-18 20:46                   ` [PATCH] cleanup sched_yield (sys)call nesting Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-11-18 20:56                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-18 21:04                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-11-18 21:34                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19  4:48                           ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-11-19 10:36                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19  3:20                     ` Ingo Molnar

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