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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, paulus@samba.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, perfmon2-devel@lists.sf.net,
	eranian@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH]  perf_events: improve x86 event scheduling (v5)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:24:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1263907489.4283.663.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1263903773.4283.657.camel@laptop>

On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 13:22 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 18:29 +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> 
> > It has constraints that only need to be checked when we register
> > the event. It has also constraint on enable time but nothing
> > tricky that requires an overwritten group scheduling.
> 
> The fact that ->enable() can fail makes it a hardware counter. Software
> counters cannot fail enable.
> 
> Having multiple groups of failable events (multiple hardware pmus) can
> go wrong with the current core in interesting ways, look for example at
> __perf_event_sched_in():
> 
> It does:
> 
> 	int can_add_hw = 1;
> 
> 	...
> 
> 	list_for_each_entry(event, &ctx->flexible_groups, group_entry) {
> 		/* Ignore events in OFF or ERROR state */
> 		if (event->state <= PERF_EVENT_STATE_OFF)
> 			continue;
> 		/*
> 		 * Listen to the 'cpu' scheduling filter constraint
> 		 * of events:
> 		 */
> 		if (event->cpu != -1 && event->cpu != cpu)
> 			continue;
> 
> 		if (group_can_go_on(event, cpuctx, can_add_hw))
> 			if (group_sched_in(event, cpuctx, ctx, cpu))
> 				can_add_hw = 0;
> 	}
> 
> Now, if you look at that logic you'll see that it assumes there's one hw
> device since it only has one can_add_hw state. So if your hw_breakpoint
> pmu starts to fail we'll also stop adding counters to the cpu pmu (for
> lack of a better name) and vs.
> 
> This might be fixable by using per-cpu struct pmu variables. 
> 
> I'm going to try and move all the weak hw_perf_* functions into struct
> pmu and create a notifier like callchain for them so we can have proper
> per pmu state, and then use that to fix these things up.
> 
> However I'm afraid its far to late to push any of that into .33, which
> means .33 will have rather funny behaviour once the breakpoints start
> getting used.

Hrmph, so I read some of that hw_breakpoint stuff, and now I'm sorta
confused, it looks like ->enable should never fail, but that means you
cannot overcommit breakpoints, which doesn't fit the perf model nicely.

Also, I see you set an ->unthrottle, but then don't implement it, but
comment it as todo, which is strange because that implies its broken. If
there's an ->unthrottle method it will throttle, so if its todo, the
safest thing is to not set it.

/me mutters something and goes look at something else for a while.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-19 13:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-18  8:58 [PATCH] perf_events: improve x86 event scheduling (v5) Stephane Eranian
2010-01-18 13:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 13:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:12     ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-18 14:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:20     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 14:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:45         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 14:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 16:18             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 16:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 16:51                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 17:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 17:29                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 20:01                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 12:22                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 13:24                         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-01-19 15:55                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-19 16:25                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-27 17:38                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-19 15:40                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-21 10:08           ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 10:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 10:21               ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 10:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 10:38                   ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 10:45             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-21 11:44               ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 12:02                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 14:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:53         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 14:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 16:22             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-21 10:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 10:43   ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 10:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 14:06       ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 13:55 ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf: x86: Add support for the ANY bit tip-bot for Stephane Eranian
2010-01-29  9:26 ` [tip:perf/core] perf_events, x86: Improve x86 event scheduling tip-bot for Stephane Eranian

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