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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v5)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:45:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1263977151.4283.816.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100120031323.GA15318@Krystal>

On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 22:13 -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> * Peter Zijlstra (peterz@infradead.org) wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 19:37 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 14:33 -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > It's a case where CPU 1 switches from our mm to another mm:
> > > > 
> > > >        CPU 0 (membarrier)                  CPU 1 (another mm -our mm)
> > > >        <user-space>                        <user-space>
> > > >                                            <buffered access C.S. data>
> > > >                                            urcu read unlock()
> > > >                                              barrier()
> > > >                                              store local gp
> > > >                                            <kernel-space>
> > > 
> > > OK, so the question is how we end up here, if its though interrupt
> > > preemption I think the interrupt delivery will imply an mb,
> > 
> > I keep thinking that, but I think we actually refuted that in an earlier
> > discussion on this patch.
> 
> Intel Architecture Software Developer's Manual Vol. 3: System
> Programming
> 7.4 Serializing Instructions
> 
> "MOV to control reg, MOV to debug reg, WRMSR, INVD, INVLPG, WBINDV, LGDT,
> LLDT, LIDT, LTR, CPUID, IRET, RSM"
> 
> So, this list does _not_ include: INT, SYSENTER, SYSEXIT.
> 
> Only IRET is included. So I don't think it is safe to assume that x86
> has serializing instructions when entering/leaving the kernel.

I got confused by 7.1.2.1 automatic locking on interrupt acknowledge.

But I already retracted that stmt.

> > 
> > >  if its a
> > > blocking syscall, the set_task_state() mb [*] should be there.
> > > 
> > > Then we also do:
> > > 
> > > 					clear_tsk_need_resched()
> > > 
> > > which is an atomic bitop (although does not imply a full barrier
> > > per-se).
> > > 
> > > >                                            rq->curr = next (1)
> > 
> > We could possibly look at placing that assignment in context_switch()
> > between switch_mm() and switch_to(), which should provide a mb before
> > and after I think, Ingo?
> 
> That's an interesting idea. It would indeed fix the problem of the
> missing barrier before the assignment, but would lack the appropriate
> barrier after the assignment. If the rq->curr = next; assignment is made
> after load_cr3, then we lack a memory barrier between the assignment and
> execution of following user-space code after returning with SYSEXIT (and
> we lack the appropriate barrier for other architectures too).

Well, 7.1.2.1 says that writing a segment register implies a LOCK, but
on second reading there are a number of qualifiers there, not sure we
satisfy that.

Peter, does our switch_to() imply a mb?


  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-20  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-13  1:37 [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v5) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13  3:23 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13  3:58   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13  4:47     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13  5:33       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13 15:03       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14  0:15         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-14  2:16           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14  2:25             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13  5:00 ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13  5:31   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13  5:39     ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 14:38       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 18:07         ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 18:24           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 18:41             ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 19:17               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 19:42                 ` David Daney
2010-01-13 19:53                   ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 23:42                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 15:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13 11:07 ` Heiko Carstens
2010-01-13 14:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 16:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-13 19:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14  9:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 16:26       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 17:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 17:54           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 18:37             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 18:52               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-14 19:33                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 21:26                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-19 18:37                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 19:06                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20  3:13                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-20  8:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-01-21 11:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 16:07                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:12                           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 16:22                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:32                               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 17:02                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 17:01                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-19 19:43                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-14 18:50             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-19 16:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 17:11           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-19 17:30           ` Steven Rostedt

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