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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Hitoshi Mitake <mitake@dcl.info.waseda.ac.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, paulus@samba.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, gregkh@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add type of locks to lock trace events
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:41:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1264786865.24455.22.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100129172939.GD5047@nowhere>

On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 18:29 +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:

> > I still don't see the use for it, surely you're going to be familiar
> > with the code if you're looking at lock statistics?

> Comparing the avg/max time locks are acquired/waited between same
> types of locks is interesting, but doing so between spinlocks and mutexes
> is definetly pointless. 

Sure, never claimed otherwise, but:
 1) if you're looking at lock behaviour you should also look at the code
    otherwise you have no context to place the contention behaviour in.

 2) exactly because these hold/acquire times differ so much its hard to
    mistake mistake them for anything else.

The concern I have is adding the storage (avoided by not doing it at
init like you suggested) and the event size overhead. Jens' report
confirms that we need to be very careful here, because lock sites are
very high frequent.

So again, _why_? If you're looking at these things its easy (and I'd say
rather crucial) to look up the code.

There simply is no point in looking at these stats if you're not also
going to look at the code. If you're looking at them in a quick
diagnostic way, then the difference against the baseline is important.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-29 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-16  3:28 [PATCH 1/2] perf: Add util/include/linuxhash.h to include hash.h of kernel Hitoshi Mitake
2009-12-16  3:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf lock: Fix output of tracing lock events Hitoshi Mitake
2009-12-16  8:19   ` [tip:perf/lock] " tip-bot for Hitoshi Mitake
2009-12-17  8:50   ` [PATCH 2/2] " Ingo Molnar
2009-12-17  9:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 10:09     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-17 10:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 10:51         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-26 13:43     ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-12-28 10:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-31 13:24         ` Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-07 10:38           ` Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-07 10:39             ` [PATCH 0/5] lockdep: Add information of file and line to lockdep_map Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-13  9:52               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-13 10:09                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-16 13:01                 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-18  7:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-26  5:56                     ` [PATCH] Add type of locks to lock trace events Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-28 10:21                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-29 17:29                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-29 17:41                           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-01-29 22:12                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-24  9:02                               ` [PATCH] Separate lock events with types Hitoshi Mitake
2010-03-26 23:33                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-05 10:37                                   ` Hitoshi Mitake
2010-04-06  8:26                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06  9:44                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-07 10:39             ` [PATCH 1/5] lockdep: Add file and line to initialize sequence of spin and rw lock Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-07 10:39             ` [PATCH 2/5] lockdep: Add file and line to initialize sequence of rwsem Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-07 10:39             ` [PATCH 3/5] " Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-07 10:39             ` [PATCH 4/5] lockdep: Add file and line to initialize sequence of mutex Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-07 10:39             ` [PATCH 5/5] lockdep: Fix the way to initialize class_mutex for information of file and line Hitoshi Mitake
2010-01-13 10:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-13 23:17                 ` Greg KH
2010-01-13 23:19                   ` Greg KH
2010-01-16 12:55                     ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-12-16  8:18 ` [tip:perf/lock] perf: Add util/include/linuxhash.h to include hash.h of kernel tip-bot for Hitoshi Mitake

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