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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"Metzger, Markus T" <markus.t.metzger@intel.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jamie Iles <jamie.iles@picochip.com>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	perfmon2-devel@lists.sf.net
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] perf_events, x86: PEBS support
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:40:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1265208012.24455.592.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bd4cb8901002030630naaa83c1j397759750007ae4c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 15:30 +0100, Stephane Eranian wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 15:07 +0100, Stephane Eranian wrote:
> >> >> The only improvement that PEBS provides is that you get an IP and the
> >> >> machine state at retirement of an instruction that caused the event to
> >> >> increment. Thus, the IP points to the next dynamic instruction. The instruction
> >> >> is not the one that cause the P-th occurence of the event, if you set the
> >> >> period to P. It is at P+N, where N cannot be predicted and varies depending
> >> >> on the event and executed code. This introduces some bias in the samples..
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure I follow, it records the next event after overflow, doesn't
> >> > that make it P+1?
> >> >
> >> That is not what I wrote. I did not say if records at P+1. I said it records
> >> at P+N, where N varies from sample to sample and cannot be predicted.
> >> N is expressed in the unit of the sampling event.
> >
> > OK, so I'm confused.
> >
> > The manual says it arms the PEBS assist on overflow, and the PEBS thing
> > will then record the next event. Which to me reads like P+1.
> >
> you are assuming arming is instantaneous.

Yes I was, ok that stinks.

If only they would reset the counter on overflow instead of on record,
that would solve quite a few issues I imagine.

Then add IP to the actual instruction and you've got yourself a useful
tool :-)


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-03 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-02 16:56 [RFC][PATCH] perf_events, x86: PEBS support Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-02 18:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 18:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-03 13:22     ` Stephane Eranian
2010-02-03 13:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-03 14:07         ` Stephane Eranian
2010-02-03 14:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-03 14:30             ` Stephane Eranian
2010-02-03 14:40               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-02-03 14:54                 ` Stephane Eranian
2010-02-03 15:12                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-03 23:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-03 23:51                   ` Stephane Eranian
2010-02-04  0:03                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-04  0:22                       ` Stephane Eranian

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