From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753166Ab0CEOqp (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:46:45 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:43782 "HELO mail.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1751727Ab0CEOqo (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:46:44 -0500 X-Authenticated: #14349625 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX189+KUe2UY9AP9P8182eC23VQXM5mYhTDo/WuZuXI vgNGRZ+a3IT4Ep Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3 From: Mike Galbraith To: David Miller Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, mingo@elte.hu, skeggsb@gmail.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, airlied@gmail.com, airlied@linux.ie, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net In-Reply-To: <20100305.063718.211238119.davem@davemloft.net> References: <1267748927.3496.6.camel@nisroch> <20100305064955.GA6453@elte.hu> <20100305123834.0d9c6277@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20100305.063718.211238119.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:46:39 +0100 Message-Id: <1267800399.6681.67.camel@marge.simson.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.56999999999999995 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 06:37 -0800, David Miller wrote: > From: Alan Cox > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:38:34 +0000 > > >> The conclusion is crystal clear, breaking an ABI via a "flag day" > >> cleanup/feature/etc is: > > > > Ingo go read the staging Kconfig. It's crystal clear, and lots of vendor > > junk that is in there being cleaned up it would be *insane* to keep their > > old APIs > > > > See there's a bigger offence than breaking an ABI - its called not RTFM. > > All of this RTFM and what directory the noveau driver is sitting in is > entirely irrelevant Alan. > > If it effects such a large number of people, which this noveau thing > does, it's entirely relevant to everyone. And the way it's breaking > and making kernel development difficult for so many people matters to > us. > > It's about the tester base, and this breakage shrinks the tester base > considerably. > > Or do you want the kernel tested by less people? On the bright side, all this hubbub sends a very positive message to the noveau development crew. Folks, your work is important. I'd be proud as a peacock :) -Mike