From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.jf.intel.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Yanmin Zhang <yanmin_zhang@linux.jf.intel.com>,
Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [patch v2 1/2] sched: check for prev_cpu == this_cpu before calling wake_affine()
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:43:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1270237407.6316.19.camel@marge.simson.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1270227925.2870.49.camel@sbs-t61.sc.intel.com>
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 10:05 -0700, Suresh Siddha wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 23:20 -0700, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > Yes, if task A and task B are more or less unrelated, you'd want them to
> > stay in separate domains, you'd not want some random event to pull. The
> > other side of the coin is tasks which fork off partners that they will
> > talk to at high frequency. They land just as far away, and desperately
> > need to move into a shared cache domain. There's currently no
> > discriminator, so while always asking wake_affine() may reduce the risk
> > of moving a task with a large footprint, it also increases the risk of
> > leaving buddies jabbering cross cache.
>
> Mike, Apart from this small tweak that you added in wake_up() path there
> is no extra logic that keeps buddies together for long.
The wakeup logic is the only thing that keeps buddies together.
> As I was saying,
> fork/exec balance starts apart and in the partial loaded case (i.e.,
> when # of running tasks <= # of sockets or # of total cores) the default
> load balancer policy also tries to distribute the load equally among
> sockets/cores (for peak cache/memory controller bw etc). While the
> wakeup() may keep the buddies on SMT siblings, next load balancing event
> will move them far away. If we need to keep buddies together we need
> more changes than this small tweak.
We very definitely need to keep buddies cache affine. Yes, maybe some
additional logic is needed, as there is a conflict between load types.
A kbuild spreading to the four winds is fine, while netperf jabbering
cross cache is horrible.
> > Do you have a compute load bouncing painfully which this patch cures?
> >
> > I have no strong objections, and the result is certainly easier on the
> > eye. If I were making the decision, I'd want to see some numbers.
>
> All I saw in the changelog when you added this new tweak was:
>
> commit 8b911acdf08477c059d1c36c21113ab1696c612b
> Author: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
> Date: Thu Mar 11 17:17:16 2010 +0100
>
> sched: Fix select_idle_sibling()
>
> Don't bother with selection when the current cpu is idle. ....
>
> Is it me or you who need to provide the data for justification for your
> new tweak that changes the current behavior ;)
>
> I will run some workloads aswell!
Whoa. It was a simple question, no need to get defensive. You need not
provide anything. Forget I even asked, it's not my decision.
-Mike
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-02 19:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-08 22:19 [patch v2 1/2] sched: check for prev_cpu == this_cpu before calling wake_affine() Suresh Siddha
2010-03-08 22:19 ` [patch v2 2/2] sched: fix select_idle_sibling() logic in select_task_rq_fair() Suresh Siddha
2010-03-31 10:25 ` [patch v2 1/2] sched: check for prev_cpu == this_cpu before calling wake_affine() Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-31 23:47 ` Suresh Siddha
2010-04-01 5:32 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-04-01 21:04 ` Suresh Siddha
2010-04-02 6:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-04-02 17:05 ` Suresh Siddha
2010-04-02 19:43 ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2010-04-14 20:45 ` Suresh Siddha
2010-04-15 5:17 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-04-20 8:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-20 8:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-20 17:03 ` Suresh Siddha
2010-04-23 10:50 ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Fix select_idle_sibling() logic in select_task_rq_fair() tip-bot for Suresh Siddha
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