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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tony Breeds <tonyb@au1.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC] mutex: Fix optimistic spinning vs. BKL
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:55:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1273478159.5605.3324.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1273271262.4861.134.camel@pasglop>

On Sat, 2010-05-08 at 08:27 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > Also, to solve this problem when several cpus may spin on the owner,
> > I wonder adaptive spinning is doing the right thing here. We should
> > have only one spinner I think, and the rest should go to sleep as the
> > time to spin on several subsequent owners would be much better gained
> > to do something else (schedule something else or power saving).
> > In fact, that too could deserve some tests.
> 
> Right, the problem is due to the fact that we skip spinning if there's
> already a waiter but we don't know that there is already a spinner so we
> can end up with multiple spinners.
> 
> I don't see a non invasive way to fix that.. we could add a spinner
> counter to the mutex but that sucks a bit. Might still be worthwhile,
> not sure. Peter, what do you reckon ? 

If its a large problem the lock is overly contended and _that_ needs
fixing. I don't at all feel like adding atomic ops to the spin loop to
try and detect this.

As to the 2 jiffy spin timeout, I guess we should add a lockdep warning
for that, because anybody holding a mutex for longer than 2 jiffies and
not sleeping does need fixing anyway.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-10  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-28  4:38 [PATCH/RFC] mutex: Fix optimistic spinning vs. BKL Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-04-28  4:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-04-28 12:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-28 22:35   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-05-07  4:20     ` Tony Breeds
2010-05-07  5:30       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-07  6:01         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-05-07 21:29           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-07 22:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-05-10  7:55               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-05-11 18:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-11 18:19                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-11 21:13                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-05-07  6:16         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-05-11 15:43       ` [tip:core/locking] " tip-bot for Tony Breeds
2010-05-11 23:05         ` Tony Breeds
2010-05-18 16:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 16:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19  5:46           ` Tony Breeds
2010-05-19  7:56             ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Tony Breeds

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