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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ken Chen <kenchen@google.com>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Nikhil Rao <ncrao@google.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Avoid side-effect of tickless idle on  update_cpu_load (v2)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:35:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1274117717.1674.1539.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikWWEYpwmqhQ0oYz30SUFY-y2erqStw2T6h0WXg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 09:52 -0700, Venkatesh Pallipadi wrote:

> >  load_i = ((2^i)-1)/(2^i) * load_i + 1/(2^i) * load_(i-1)

> > So because we're in no_hz, current load == 0 and we could approximate
> > the thing by:
> >
> >  load_i = ((2^i)-1)/(2^i) * load_i
> >
> > Because for i ~ 1, there is no new input, and for i >> 1 the fraction is
> > small.
> 
> Something like that. But, with total_updates = n and missed_updates = n - 1
> We do this for (n - 1)
> load_i = ((2^i)-1)/(2^i) * load_i
> And do this once.
> load_i = ((2^i)-1)/(2^i) * load_i + 1/(2^i) * cur_load

> That way we do not differentiate between whether we are in tickless or
> not and we use the same code path.

But by the above, that's not the same as without, because that does

load_i = ((2^i)-1)/(2^i) * load_i + 1/(2^i) * load_(i-1)

not

load_i = ((2^i)-1)/(2^i) * load_i + 1/(2^i) * cur_load

> > But why then do we precalculate these factors? It seems to me
> > ((2^i)-1)/(2^i) is something that is trivial to compute and doesn't
> > warrant a lookup table?
> >
> 
> Yes. Initially I had a for loop running for missed_updates to calculate
>  ((2^i)-1)/(2^i) * load_i
> in a loop.

Ah, right! So you want to calculate:

 (((2^i)-1)/(2^i))^n

Which ends up being a nasty binomial sum: 1/(2^ni) * \Sum_k^n (n choose
k) * 2^k, so yeah, I don't see a fancy way to quickly compute that.


OK, could you summarize our discussion into that comment?


  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-17 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-15  1:21 [PATCH] sched: Avoid side-effect of tickless idle on update_cpu_load (v2) Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-17  8:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-17 16:52   ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-17 17:35     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-05-17 17:52       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-18  1:14         ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-18 15:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 16:04             ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-21 11:27           ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched: Avoid side-effect of tickless idle on update_cpu_load tip-bot for Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-21 17:03             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-21 17:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-21 18:18                 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-06-09 10:13           ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-18 15:12         ` [PATCH] sched: Avoid side-effect of tickless idle on update_cpu_load (v2) Peter Zijlstra

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