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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Corey Ashford <cjashfor@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	"eranian@gmail.com" <eranian@gmail.com>,
	"Gary.Mohr@Bull.com" <Gary.Mohr@bull.com>,
	"arjan@linux.intel.com" <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	"Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Russell King <rmk+kernel@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Maynard Johnson <mpjohn@us.ibm.com>, Carl Love <carll@us.ibm.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 06/11] perf: core, export pmus via sysfs
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:52:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1274385152.1674.1636.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100520184213.GB21030@kroah.com>

On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:42 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 09:14:36AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > Since the CPU and memory controllers are (assumed) symmetric on the
> > system, we get to add things like:
> > 
> > 
> >   /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu_event_source/
> 
> Wouldn't that really be:
> 	/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpu_event_source/
> ?
> 
> /sys/devices/system/cpu is a "type" of devices in the system here, and
> isn't an event source specific to the device itself?
> 
> Or is it for all cpus together?

All CPUs are assumed identical, and the perf syscall has task/cpu
monitor targets. If the CPUs would not be identical (like Paul Mundt
said SH might do) then it would make sense to have different
event_sources for each cpu.

> > I'm not sure where we'd want them to live, we could add them to:
> > 
> >   /sys/kernel/tracepoint_event_source/
> > 
> > and have them live there, but I'm open to alternatives :-)
> 
> Once you go outside of /sys/devices/ you aren't playing with devices
> properly, so you might just want to stick to a "class" and have
> /sys/class/tracepoint_event_source/ where all of the devices would end
> up symlinking to.

Sure, that would work.

> > [ With event_source's being a sysfs-class, we also get a nice flat
> >   collection in /sys/class/event_source/ helping those who get lost
> >   in the device topology, me :-) ]
> 
> Yes, but isn't the fact that you can have different types of
> event sources lend itself to different classes of event sources?

I'm not quite sure adding another abstraction level buys us much.

> >  fd = open("/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu_event_source/instructions/config");
> >  attr->type = fd | PERF_TYPE_FD;
> >  event_fd = perf_event_open(attr, ... );
> >  close(fd);
> > 
> > From that one fd we can find to which 'event_source' it belongs and what
> > particular config we need to use.
> 
> Ah, pass the fd of a sysfs file to sysfs to get the kobject.  Ick,
> that's just, well, something that I never even considered someone would
> need/want to do...

No, we don't pass the fd to sysfs, we pass the fd into a syscall.

> sysfs exports single values just fine.  If you are starting to do more
> complex things, like you currently are, maybe you shouldn't be in
> sysfs...

Well, like said, I'm fine with it actually being single values, its just
that Ingo suggested skipping a few syscalls.

Robert just suggested we could use the sysfs files as device nodes and
have then open() return a perf_event fd. Its just that that would
require we add a ioctl to change the perf_event_attr structure and
attach it to a context.

> I can always knock up a eventfs for you do mount at /sys/kernel/events/
> or something if you want :)

But that won't get us the nice device linkage, right?


  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-20 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19  1:46 [RFC][PATCH v2 06/11] perf: core, export pmus via sysfs Lin Ming
2010-05-18 20:05 ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  2:34   ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  2:48     ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  3:40       ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  5:00         ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  6:32           ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  7:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-20 18:42         ` Greg KH
2010-05-20 19:52           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-05-20 20:19             ` Greg KH
2010-05-20 20:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-20 23:12             ` Greg KH
2010-05-21  8:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-21  9:40                 ` [rfc] Describe events in a structured way " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTinJeYJtCg2aRWhHTcf5E2-dN2-oAfEJ8tAtFjb9@mail.gmail.com>
2010-06-01  2:34                     ` Lin Ming
2010-06-08 18:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTimf1Z0N9cv2Pu2qTTUscn4utC37zOPelCbqQoPv@mail.gmail.com>
2010-06-21  8:55                     ` Lin Ming
     [not found]                       ` <1277112858.3618.16.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net>
     [not found]                         ` <1277187920.4467.3.camel@minggr.sh.intel.com>
     [not found]                           ` <1277189971.3637.5.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net>
2010-06-22  7:22                             ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  7:33                               ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  7:39                                 ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  8:04                                   ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  8:16                                     ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  7:47                                 ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  7:52                                   ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-24  9:36                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-24 16:14                                   ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-24 17:33                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-29  6:15                                       ` Lin Ming
2010-06-29  8:55                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-29  9:20                                           ` Lin Ming
2010-06-29 10:26                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-07-02  8:06                                               ` Lin Ming
2010-07-03 12:54                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-07-17  0:20                                                 ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20  5:48                                                   ` Lin Ming
2010-07-20 15:19                                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-07-20 17:50                                                       ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20 18:30                                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-07-20 21:18                                                           ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20 17:43                                                     ` Corey Ashford
2010-05-19  7:06     ` [RFC][PATCH v2 06/11] perf: core, export pmus " Borislav Petkov
2010-05-19  7:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-19  7:23         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 20:07 ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  2:37   ` Lin Ming

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