From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758627Ab0EZKHG (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 May 2010 06:07:06 -0400 Received: from casper.infradead.org ([85.118.1.10]:50784 "EHLO casper.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751377Ab0EZKHE convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 May 2010 06:07:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Opportunistic suspend support. From: Peter Zijlstra To: Arve =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hj=F8nnev=E5g?= Cc: Florian Mickler , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Alan Stern , Dmitry Torokhov , Linux-pm mailing list , Kernel development list , Len Brown , Pavel Machek , Randy Dunlap , Andrew Morton , Andi Kleen , Cornelia Huck , Tejun Heo , Jesse Barnes , Nigel Cunningham , Ming Lei , Wu Fengguang , Maxim Levitsky , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Matthew Garrett , Greg KH , tytso@mit.edu, James Bottomley In-Reply-To: References: <201005252344.37639.rjw@sisk.pl> <1274863342.5882.4850.camel@twins> <20100526112303.3fef15a4@schatten.dmk.lab> <1274866402.5882.5051.camel@twins> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:06:24 +0200 Message-ID: <1274868384.5882.5169.camel@twins> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 02:54 -0700, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote: > > I'm not sure what you are proposing that we use instead. Both > user-space and kernel code needs to block suspend. If we don't have > suspend blockers in the kernel then user-space needs to poll when a > driver blocks suspend by returning an error from its suspend hook. In particular I'm suggesting you ditch the /dev/suspend_block thing. With a single suspend manager process that manages the suspend state you can achieve the same goal. When the suspend manager has a !0 busy-task count, it ensures the kernel won't auto-suspend, when it again reaches a 0 busy-task count, it re-instates the auto-suspend feature. That's pretty much what that device would do too. Ideally we would not do the auto-suspend thing at all and have runtime-PM improved. Not running apps when they expect to run is like the world turned upside down. 'Evil' apps could always report themselves as blocker anyway.