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From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Brian Bloniarz <bmb@athenacr.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>,
	chris.mason@oracle.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Export tsc related information in sysfs
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:49:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1274903390.3383.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BFD6C2B.4070403@athenacr.com>

On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:44 -0400, Brian Bloniarz wrote:
> On 05/26/2010 12:25 PM, john stultz wrote:
> > Brian: is this something the NTPd folks actually want? Has anyone
> > checked with them before we hand down the solution from high upon on
> > lkml mountain?
> 
> I haven't checked, it's been a while since I dealt with
> this problem. The NTP maintainers definitely complain about the
> quick TSC calibration code like it's a bug:
> (e.g. http://www.mail-archive.com/questions@lists.ntp.org/msg02079.html).
> Anyway I'll reach out before I spend any time investing in
> a solution that they don't want (and you don't like :).
> 
> > Personally I think NTPd should be a little more savvy about how far it
> > trusts the drift file when it starts up. Since I believe its
> > fast-startup mode can quickly estimate the drift well within 100ppm,
> > which is about the maximum variance I've seen from the calibration code.
> 
> The workaround we went with was to remove the drift file on 
> every reboot. But in our experience, even with iburst, converging takes
> a long time. I don't have hard numbers since it's been a long time since
> I investigated the problem, but we defined failure as >1ms offset syncing
> to a server in our LAN, and a cold NTP boot takes 10-20 hours to get
> there.

Ok. If its been awhile, you may find recent kernels (2.6.31+) are much
faster to converge due to adjustments made to the SHIFT_PLL constant.
This was done explicitly to address issues similar to what you describe
above.

thanks
-john


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-26 19:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-20 19:19 [PATCH] x86: Export tsc related information in sysfs Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-22  2:03 ` john stultz
2010-05-22  3:33   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 18:13   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-24 18:19     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 18:51     ` john stultz
2010-05-24 20:20       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 20:39         ` john stultz
2010-05-24 21:26           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 22:04           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-24 22:30             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 22:49               ` john stultz
2010-05-24 23:16                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-24 23:19                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 23:30                   ` john stultz
2010-05-24 23:42                     ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-25  0:01                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-25  0:07                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-25  1:33               ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26  0:16                 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26  0:48                   ` john stultz
2010-05-26  2:50                     ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 12:35                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-26 14:26                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-26 14:41                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-26 15:04                       ` john stultz
2010-05-26 16:02                         ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 16:25                           ` john stultz
2010-05-26 18:24                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-26 18:44                             ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 18:51                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-26 20:19                                 ` john stultz
2010-05-26 21:06                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-26 19:49                               ` john stultz [this message]
2010-05-26 20:22                                 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 12:30                   ` Thomas Gleixner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-15  1:40 Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-15  9:57 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-15 13:29   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-15 16:48     ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-15 19:14     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-15 22:32       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-16  5:43         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-16  9:20           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-16 16:42             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-16 19:14               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-17  1:31                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-17  5:06                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-18  9:58                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 10:03                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 11:25                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-18 11:58                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 15:13                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 16:40                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 16:52                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 17:04                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 17:49                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 18:46                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 19:00                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 19:16                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 19:26                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 20:29                                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 20:34                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 21:02                                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 21:13                                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-19  6:26                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-17 10:20                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-16 20:29               ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-17 10:26         ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-04 14:24           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-15 22:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-17 10:22     ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-17 15:23       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-17 16:56         ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-17 22:36         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-17 23:33           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18  0:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18  0:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-15 12:35 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2010-05-15 14:37   ` Venkatesh Pallipadi

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