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From: Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>
To: Harald Gustafsson <hgu1972@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Song Yuan <song.yuan@ericsson.com>,
	Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Nicola Manica <nicola.manica@disi.unitn.it>,
	Luca Abeni <lucabe72@email.it>,
	Claudio Scordino <claudio@evidence.eu.com>,
	Harald Gustafsson <harald.gustafsson@ericsson.com>,
	Bjoern Brandenburg <bbb@email.unc.edu>,
	bastoni@cs.unc.edu, Giuseppe Lipari <lipari@retis.sssup.it>
Subject: Re: periods and deadlines in SCHED_DEADLINE
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:52:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1278798752.4918.24.camel@Palantir> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin0sj6ONjNcwX6IJHSgi7gKnCzkvD_jaLyOFNjs@mail.gmail.com>

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On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 22:08 +0200, Harald Gustafsson wrote:
> > That is a very delicate point, the whole reason SCHED_FIFO and friends
> > suck so much is that they don't provide any kind of isolation, and thus,
> > as an Operating-System abstraction they're an utter failure.
> >
> > If you take out admission control you end up with a similar situation.
> 
> OK, I see your point, and I also want to keep the isolation, its just
> that I thought that the complexity might be too large to be accepted
> by mainline. Let's work towards a solution with good admission
> control, i.e. having more complex admission control to handle this.
> 
Indeed. I think things might be done step by step, relaxing the
constraints as long as we find better solutions.

> > Embedded people can of course easily hack in whatever they well fancy,
> > and adding the 'yes_I_really_want_this_anyway' flag or even taking out
> > admission control all together is something the GPL allows them to do.
> 
> Not an option I would like to pursue, it should be possible to get a
> working solution without this.
>
Yeah, I see your point and agree with it. Btw, I think that, even in the
configuration described by Peter, if you --as an embedded system
engineer-- have the full control of your device/product, you can avoid
having any hard-rt task. Then, if you only have soft ones, you'll get
the benefit of having the possibility of setting D!=P without suffering
of any interference... Am I right?

I think this could be a viable solution, at least until we have
something better to relax assumptions on the schedulability test for
hard tasks, isn't it?

Regards,
Dario
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-10 21:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-09 13:38 periods and deadlines in SCHED_DEADLINE Raistlin
2010-07-09 14:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-09 14:51   ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-09 16:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10  9:01       ` Raistlin
2010-07-10 10:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10 14:49           ` Raistlin
2010-07-11  6:42         ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-08-03  9:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04  3:52             ` Andrea Bastoni
2010-08-04  7:14               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04  5:18             ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-08-03  9:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04  3:53             ` Andrea Bastoni
2010-08-04  5:02             ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-10  7:08     ` Raistlin
2010-07-11  6:46       ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-08-03  8:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-03 11:42           ` Gregory Haskins
2010-08-04  6:30           ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-09 14:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10  7:11   ` Luca Abeni
2010-07-10 10:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-11  6:12       ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-09 14:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10  9:14   ` Raistlin
2010-07-10 17:19   ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-07-10 18:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10 20:08       ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-07-10 21:52         ` Raistlin [this message]
2010-07-11  5:41           ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-07-11  7:32         ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-12 10:21           ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-08-04  5:55             ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-08-02 19:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04  4:44             ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-09 14:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10  7:50   ` Raistlin
2010-07-10 15:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10 17:29       ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-07-11  6:15     ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-10  7:09 ` Luca Abeni
2010-07-10  9:20   ` Raistlin

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