From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] sched: CFS low-latency features
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:19:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1282897192.7185.28.camel@marge.simson.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1282894960.1975.1666.camel@laptop>
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 09:42 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:49 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > AFAIK, I don't think we would end up starving the system in any possible way.
>
> Correct, it does maintain fairness.
>
> > So far I cannot see a situation where selecting the next buddy would _not_ make
> > sense in any kind of input-driven wakeups (interactive, timer, disk, network,
> > etc). But maybe it's just a lack of imagination on my part.
>
> The risk is that you end up with always using next-buddy, and we tried
> that a while back and that didn't work well for some, Mike might
> remember.
I turned it off because it was ripping spread apart badly, and last
buddy did a better job of improving scalability without it.
> Also, when you use timers things like time-outs you really couldn't care
> less if its handled sooner rather than later.
>
> Disk is usually so slow you really don't want to consider it
> interactive, but then sometimes you might,.. its a really hard problem.
(very hard)
> The only clear situation is the direct input, that's a direct link
> between the user and our wakeup chain and the user is always important.
Yeah, directly linked wakeups using next could be a good thing, but the
trouble with using any linkage to the user is that you have to pass it
on to reap benefit.. so when do you disconnect?
-Mike
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-27 8:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-26 18:09 [RFC PATCH 00/11] sched: CFS low-latency features Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 01/11] sched: fix string comparison in features Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] sched: debug spread check account for nr_running Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] sched: FAIR_SLEEPERS feature Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] sched: debug cleanup place entity Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] sched buddy enable buddy logic starting at 2 running threads Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] sched: dynamic min_vruntime Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] sched rename struct task in_iowait field to sched_in_iowait Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] sched input interactivity-driven next buddy Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] sched: timer-driven " Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 18:02 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] sched: timer-driven next buddy (update) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 18:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] sched: fork expedited Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] sched: fair sleepers for timer and interactive Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:57 ` [RFC PATCH 00/11] sched: CFS low-latency features Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-26 21:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-26 22:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-26 23:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 23:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 7:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 15:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 8:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-27 15:50 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 7:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 15:21 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 15:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 16:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 17:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 18:32 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 19:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 19:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-31 15:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 23:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-26 23:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 23:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-26 23:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 0:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-27 15:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 15:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-27 15:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 15:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-26 23:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 7:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 8:19 ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2010-08-27 15:43 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 18:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-28 7:33 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-08-27 10:47 ` Indan Zupancic
2010-08-27 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
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