From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755057Ab0IFBiJ (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:38:09 -0400 Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.84.214]:46979 "HELO smtp103.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1754959Ab0IFBiH (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:38:07 -0400 X-Yahoo-SMTP: fzDSGlOswBCWnIOrNw7KwwK1j9PqyNbe5PtLKiS4dDU.UNl_t6bdEZu9tTLW X-YMail-OSG: DYXxXeIVM1lwACXjuWAEy_aQWRKb4ohCZVc9VDXhxxf13Va cvxTHVofxk9dapAjlMk7zBETcRoA4avR3HHSxUorALaQ97sGrhUex1RynZ74 Xtn_y1uDzGBgDhQ9WnhWsX5vgGA1aO0QW3ozxpp4FVvwotI5uGo2rxKx4mv_ N7hAfcFBrXG5dcJpu5Xt0Y3TmFT5zDhSzso0e1llBvmivVPNLjeUN5ZOJpoj Ufv32JDdhSqZGNSNPNLI_KSlCIyjB2ASBhC3ARq79cLwlVmC5hMQF.JVoag_ aF3fvj73TzYbeXe1c2CFIBnxP X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Subject: Re: [Scst-devel] Fwd: Re: linuxcon 2010... From: "Nicholas A. Bellinger" To: Mark Deneen Cc: Dmitry Torokhov , Mike Christie , Vladislav Bolkhovitin , linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, Chetan Loke , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, FUJITA Tomonori , James Bottomley , scst-devel In-Reply-To: References: <4C7421FB.2060007@vlnb.net> <1282685014.32007.51.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> <4C76CA57.3050405@vlnb.net> <1282857806.32007.175.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> <4C79484B.3090607@vlnb.net> <1283028468.32007.357.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> <4C7C18CE.5020103@vlnb.net> <1283204792.32007.448.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> <4C7FFD1A.8090509@vlnb.net> <1283459158.5598.143.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> <20100905201802.GC18411@core.coreip.homeip.net> <1283723447.556.133.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> <1283731939.556.159.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:34:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1283736844.556.184.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 20:58 -0400, Mark Deneen wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > > I will always be advocating using the best tool for the job in any given > > situation. So absoulutely, I would have picked bitkeeper over tarballs > > any day of the week 7 years ago, or over SVN if it had existed back > > then. > > I can't say that I agree with this. SVN existed, along with many > other open source choices -- the choice of BitKeeper was a mistake. > Bitkeeper taught Linus by his own admission that there was actually a reason to using a SCM for the kernel to begin with, and helped drive some early git design princables which he also briefly mentioned in the google git talk. So I hardly consider this a mistake looking at it from a historical perspective. > > But again, I think it's an important point that git is a tool that was > > made explictly for the linux kernel workflow. Why would a new subsystem > > maintainer is participates in the kernel workflow ever use anything > > besides git at this point..? > > Look, I'm not saying that I dislike git. I use it as my SCM here. > However, git was in its infancy (or not even around) when SCST was > started. It's not like they had a proprietary vendor go cold turkey > on them, forcing everyone to another solution. I am really sorry to hear about SCST's bad timing wrt to the evolution of git, but I hardly see this as an acceptable excuse for poor mainline workflow. > > > And sorry, but considering the obvious advantages in terms of workflow > > speed and flexibility that git brings to the table for a subsystem > > maintainer, calling the choise of SCM a nit-pick item demonstrates a > > level certain level of inexperience wrt to mainline kernel workflow. > > Which is perfectly OK, but if you really want to understand the issues > > at hand in a distributed vs. centrailized SCM model, I strongly suggest > > you watch Linus's talk as well. > > > > Best, > > > > --nab > > I'm still calling it a nit-pick. Vlad could switch to git in a short > amount of time if he felt so compelled. This is like saying that the > quality of a car is based on the style of garage it is parked in. > Well, if we are going to start talking about car analogies, then I have one for you.. 8-) Using a centralized SCM for kernel subsystem workflow in the year 2010 in akin to trying to make a modification to a 18,000 RPM capable engine in a Ferrari F1 (eg: Linux Kernel), tuned to run at the *highest* levels of international competition (eg: LKML). But instead of using the tools (git) that where explictely designed the F1 engine by it's creator (eg: Linus aka Enzo Ferrari), you end trying to adjust your F1 engine's killowatt per litre displacement output using a broken FM tuner knob and rusty spare tire jack from a 79' Ford Pinto. Best, --nab