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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval.giani@gmail.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Kamalesh Babulal <kamalesh@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Nikhil Rao <ncrao@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/7] sched: throttle cfs_rq entities which exceed their local quota
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:59:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1287050395.29097.176.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101014185002.6ecb2bf5.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 18:50 +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:12:22 +0200
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:34 +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > > cpu.share and bandwidth control can't be used simultaneously or...
> > > is this fair ? I'm not familiar with scheduler but this allows boost this tg.
> > > Could you add a brief documentaion of a spec/feature. in the next post ?
> > 
> > Like explained, shares control the proportional distribution of time
> > between groups, bandwidth puts a limit on how much time a group can
> > take. It can cause a group to receive less than its fair share, but
> > never more.
> > 
> > There is, however, a problem with all this, and that is that all this
> > explicit idling of tasks can lead to a form of priority inversion.
> > Regular preemptive scheduling already suffers from this, but explicitly
> > idling tasks exacerbates the situation.
> > 
> > You basically get to add the longest induced idle time to all your lock
> > hold times.
> > 
> 
> What is the user-visible difference of the problem between
>   1) limit share to be very small.
>   2) use throttole.
> 
> If share is used, lock-hodler's priority is boosted ?

No, both lead to the same problem, its just that this adds another
dimension to it.. and I'm fairly sure people won't realise this until it
bites them in the ass.



  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-14 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-12  7:49 [PATCH v3 0/7] CFS Bandwidth Control Bharata B Rao
2010-10-12  7:50 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] sched: introduce primitives to account for CFS bandwidth tracking Bharata B Rao
2010-10-13 13:00   ` Balbir Singh
2010-10-14  5:14     ` Bharata B Rao
2010-10-14  7:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14 12:38       ` Balbir Singh
2010-10-14 13:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-06  9:02         ` Bharata B Rao
2010-10-12  7:51 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] sched: accumulate per-cfs_rq cpu usage Bharata B Rao
2010-10-13 13:30   ` Balbir Singh
2010-10-13 13:46     ` Nikhil Rao
2010-10-13 13:59       ` Balbir Singh
2010-10-13 14:41         ` Nikhil Rao
2010-10-14  5:39           ` Balbir Singh
2010-10-14  8:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14  9:07     ` Paul Turner
2010-10-14  9:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14  9:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14  9:14     ` Paul Turner
2010-10-14  9:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14  9:53         ` Paul Turner
2010-10-14  9:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14  9:27     ` Paul Turner
2010-10-14  9:40       ` Bharata B Rao
2010-10-12  7:52 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] sched: throttle cfs_rq entities which exceed their local quota Bharata B Rao
2010-10-13  6:34   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13  6:44     ` Paul Turner
2010-10-13  6:47       ` Bharata B Rao
2010-10-13  6:52         ` Paul Turner
2010-10-13  7:00       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13  7:13         ` Paul Turner
2010-10-14  9:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14  9:50       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-14  9:59         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-10-14 10:08           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-14 10:25             ` Paul Turner
2010-10-14 10:41               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14 23:30                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-14 10:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-14  9:58       ` Paul Turner
2010-10-12  7:52 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] sched: unthrottle cfs_rq(s) who ran out of quota at period refresh Bharata B Rao
2010-10-15  4:45   ` Balbir Singh
2010-12-07 13:13     ` Bharata B Rao
2010-10-12  7:53 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] sched: add exports tracking cfs bandwidth control statistics Bharata B Rao
2010-10-12  7:54 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] sched: hierarchical task accounting for FAIR_GROUP_SCHED Bharata B Rao
2010-10-12  7:55 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] sched: Return/expire slack quota using generation counters Bharata B Rao
2010-10-13  5:14 ` [PATCH v3 0/7] CFS Bandwidth Control KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13  5:44 ` Herbert Poetzl
2010-10-13  6:26   ` Paul Turner
2010-11-17  8:32 ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-11-19  3:24   ` Bharata B Rao

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