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From: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
To: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
Cc: "Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@canonical.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] System Wide Capability Bounding Set
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:19:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1296238768.2567.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201101271150.17120.sgrubb@redhat.com>

On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 11:50 -0500, Steve Grubb wrote:
> On Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:35:13 am Andrew G. Morgan wrote:
> > > Today, people want to have multi-tenant hosting using virtual
> > > machines whereby they give away root control of the guest VM.
> > > If you were renting system space, you would expect root access.
> > > That would make a nice juicy hacking target because you don't know
> > > who else is sharing the physical machine with you and they might
> > > have something in their VM worth stealing.
> > 
> > Which root filesystem (/) do kernel helpers run in in such a virtual setup?
> 
> I would assume that root in the VM could umount and mount anything. Or bind mount over 
> it. We really want any change to a global bounding set done before initrd finishes 
> doing its thing. This way there is no chance for mischief by the time control is 
> turned over to /sbin/init - which root controls.

I feel like we are all starting to understand the problem.  It still
leaves me with the belief that the only 2 known ways to solve it are

1) global bounding set which bounds the pP = fI & pI rule, unlike the
per process bset

2) a mechanism to drop caps from the bset and pI of the kthread which
runs helper apps

Do others see another way?

-Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-28 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-05 22:25 [PATCH] System Wide Capability Bounding Set Eric Paris
2011-01-06 11:30 ` Tetsuo Handa
2011-01-06 16:44   ` Theodore Tso
2011-01-11 22:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-01-11 22:12   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-01-14 19:50   ` Eric Paris
2011-01-17  3:16     ` Andrew G. Morgan
2011-01-21 21:25       ` Eric Paris
2011-01-23  3:39         ` Andrew G. Morgan
2011-01-24 21:40           ` Serge Hallyn
2011-01-26 23:34             ` Eric Paris
2011-01-27 14:02               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-01-27 14:42                 ` Steve Grubb
2011-01-27 16:43                   ` Andrew G. Morgan
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTi=k5QeE_-iNuW3-M5K3BnBtRxk-QYO5624HKrpE@mail.gmail.com>
2011-01-27 16:50                     ` Steve Grubb
2011-01-28 18:19                       ` Eric Paris [this message]
2011-01-28 18:49                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-01-28 19:10                     ` Steve Grubb
2011-01-28 19:38                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-01-28 22:24                         ` Eric Paris
2011-02-01 18:17                         ` Eric Paris
2011-02-01 21:26                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-02  4:02                             ` Andrew G. Morgan
2011-02-08  2:55                               ` Eric Paris
2011-02-14 20:45                                 ` Eric Paris
2011-02-14 21:24                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  0:29                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-01-27 14:26               ` Andrew G. Morgan

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