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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Resolve sd_idle and first_idle_cpu Catch-22 - v1
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:50:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1297086642.13327.15.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1296854731-25039-1-git-send-email-venki@google.com>

On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:25 -0800, Venkatesh Pallipadi wrote:
> Consider a system with { [ (A B) (C D) ] [ (E F) (G H) ] },
> () denoting SMT siblings, [] cores on same socket and {} system wide
> Further, A, C and D are idle, B is busy and one of EFGH has excess load.
> 
> With sd_idle logic, a check in rebalance_domains() converts tick
> based load balance requests from CPU A to busy load balance for core
> and above domains (lower rate of balance and higher load_idx).

the if (load_balance())
	idle = CPU_NOT_IDLE;
bit, right?

> With first_idle_cpu logic, when CPU C or D tries to balance across domains
> the logic finds CPU A as first idle CPU in the group and nominates CPU A to
> idle balance across sockets.

Right..

> But, sd_idle above would not allow CPU A to do cross socket idle balance
> as CPU A switches its higher level balancing to busy balance.

Because it fails the sd->flags & SD_SHARE_CPUPOWER test at the beginning
of load_balance() and hence sd_idle will remain 0, right?

I'm just not quite sure how we then end up returning !0 for
load_balance(), both branches returning -1 seem conditional on
SD_SHARE_CPUPOWER but the [ (A B) (C D) ], domain doesn't have that set.

> So, this can result is no cross socket balancing for extended periods.

Which is bad

> The fix here adds additional check to detect sd_idle logic in
> first_idle_cpu code path. We will now nominate (in order or preference):
> * First fully idle CPU
> * First semi-idle CPU
> * First CPU
> 
> Note that this solution works fine for 2 SMT siblings case and won't be
> perfect in picking proper semi-idle in case of more than 2 SMT threads.

All these SMT exceptions make my head hurt, can't we clean that up
instead of making them worse?

Why is SMT treaded differently from say a shared cache? In both cases we
want to spread the load as wide as possible to provide as much of the
resources to the few runnable tasks.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-07 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-04 20:51 [PATCH] sched: Resolve sd_idle and first_idle_cpu Catch-22 Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-04 21:25 ` [PATCH] sched: Resolve sd_idle and first_idle_cpu Catch-22 - v1 Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-07 13:50   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2011-02-07 18:21     ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-07 19:53       ` Suresh Siddha
2011-02-08 17:37         ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-08 18:13           ` Misc sd_idle related fixes Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-09  9:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-10 17:24               ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-08 18:13           ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: Resolve sd_idle and first_idle_cpu Catch-22 Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-08 18:13           ` [PATCH 2/3] sched: fix_up broken SMT load balance dilation Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-08 18:13           ` [PATCH 3/3] sched: newidle balance set idle_timestamp only on successful pull Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-09  3:37             ` Mike Galbraith
2011-02-09 15:55         ` [PATCH] sched: Resolve sd_idle and first_idle_cpu Catch-22 - v1 Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-12  1:20           ` Suresh Siddha
2011-02-14 22:38             ` [PATCH] sched: Wholesale removal of sd_idle logic Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-15 17:01               ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2011-02-15 18:26                 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-16  8:53                   ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2011-02-16 11:43               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-16 13:50               ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-02-15  9:15             ` [PATCH] sched: Resolve sd_idle and first_idle_cpu Catch-22 - v1 Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-15 19:11               ` Suresh Siddha
2011-02-18  1:05             ` Alex,Shi

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