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From: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@suse.de>
To: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	"R. J. Wysocki" <Rafal.Wysocki@fuw.edu.pl>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 9/10] sh: Use struct syscore_ops instead of sysdev class and sysdev
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:19:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1300803596.1456.10.camel@zag> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110322140420.GA24004@linux-sh.org>

On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 23:04 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 01:47:27AM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 17, 2011, Paul Mundt wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 02:03:49PM +0100, R. J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl>
> > > > 
> > > > Convert the SuperH clocks framework and shared interrupt handling
> > > > code to using struct syscore_ops instead of a sysdev classes and
> > > > sysdevs for power managment.
> > > > 
> > > > This reduces the code size significantly and simplifies it.  The
> > > > optimizations causing things not to be restored after creating a
> > > > hibernation image are removed, but they might lead to undesirable
> > > > effects during resume from hibernation (e.g. the clocks would be left
> > > > as the boot kernel set them, which might be not the same way as the
> > > > hibernated kernel had seen them before the hibernation).
> > > > 
> > > > This also is necessary for removing sysdevs from the kernel entirely
> > > > in the future.
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl>
> > > 
> > > This misses the use of the sysdev class by the userimask code, though I'm
> > > open to suggestions for alternatives.
> > 
> > For now, I'd simply move the sysdev class definition to userimask.c, like
> > in the patch below.  The current goal is to eliminate the suspend/resume and
> > shutdown operations from sysdevs (and sysdev drivers), the next step will
> > be to replace the remaining sysdevs with alternative mechanisms.
> > 
> It's not quite that straightforward, you've also killed off the name
> attribute for each of the intc sysdevs, so we no longer have a visible
> way to map a given intc controller number to the controller name in a
> user visible way.
> 
> I'm not opposed to the syscore thing for suspend/resume ops, but I'm not
> willing to trash the userimask and name mapping interface in the process
> with no alternatives.
> 
> userimask was the first global configuration item I added, but there are
> other per-controller and global configuration knobs that I plan to export
> through the interface, so there really needs to be a compelling reason
> for moving off of sysdevs.

Yes, they don't fit into the model. They have been a dumb hack from the
first day, and never integrated into the kenrel driver core or hotplug
properly.

If you need the userspace visibility, better just add a "struct
bus_type" with a proper name for your subsystem and register a "struct
device" with the bus_type assigned for all of them, instead of using the
broken concept of sydevs. You can even make them show up
in /sys/devices/system/<bus_type name>/<struct device name>/ if you want
to.

That way userspace can properly enumerate them in a flat list
in /sys/bus/<bus_type name>/devices/*, and gets proper events on module
load and during system coldplug, and can hook into the usual hotplug
pathes to set/get these values instead of crawling magicly defined and
decoupled locations in /sys which can not express proper hierarchy,
classicication, or anything else that all other devices can just do.

There is really no reason for any device being a magic and conceptually
broken sysdev today - just to be different from any other device the
kernel exports to userspace.

Thanks,
Kay


  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-22 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-10  0:31 [RFC][PATCH 0/2] Allow subsystems to avoid using sysdevs for defining "core" PM callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-10  0:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Introduce struct syscore_ops and related functionality Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-10  3:33   ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2011-03-10 10:42     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-10 11:30     ` [RFC][Update][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-11 17:11       ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 20:13         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-11 20:16           ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 20:33             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-10  0:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] Convert several sysdev users to using struct syscore_ops Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-11 17:12   ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 20:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-11 20:33       ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 20:45         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-10 13:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] Allow subsystems to avoid using sysdevs for defining "core" PM callbacks Kay Sievers
2011-03-10 19:04   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 0/8] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-12 21:13   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Core: Introcude struct syscore_ops Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-12 21:15   ` [PATCH 2/8] x86: Use syscore_ops instead of sysdev classes and sysdevs Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-13 14:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-13 15:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-12 21:16   ` [PATCH 3/8] ACPI: Use syscore_ops instead of sysdev class and sysdev Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-18 21:38     ` Len Brown
2011-03-12 21:17   ` [PATCH 4/8] timekeeping: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-13 13:56     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-13 15:08       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-12 21:18   ` [PATCH 5/8] PCI / Intel IOMMU: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-06-02 17:30     ` Tony Luck
2011-06-06 17:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-06-06 17:58         ` Luck, Tony
2011-03-12 21:18   ` [PATCH 6/8] KVM: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-12 21:20   ` [PATCH 7/8] cpufreq: Use syscore_ops for boot CPU suspend/resume Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-15 21:43     ` [Update, v2] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-12 21:21   ` [PATCH 8/8] Introduce ARCH_NO_SYSDEV_OPS config option Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-13 13:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-13 15:30       ` [Update] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-13 13:02   ` [PATCH 9-10/10] Allow subsystems to avoid using sysdevs for defining "core" PM callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-13 13:03     ` [PATCH 9/10] sh: Use struct syscore_ops instead of sysdev class and sysdev R. J. Wysocki
2011-03-17  8:20       ` Paul Mundt
2011-03-19  0:47         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 14:04           ` Paul Mundt
2011-03-22 14:19             ` Kay Sievers [this message]
2011-03-22 20:30               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 20:39                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-03-22 21:00                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 21:12                     ` Kay Sievers
2011-03-22 21:49                       ` Paul Mundt
2011-03-22 22:00                         ` Kay Sievers
2011-03-22 22:23                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 22:44                             ` Kay Sievers
2011-03-22 23:32                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 23:46                                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-03-22 23:50                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-23  9:45                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-22 22:23                           ` Paul Mundt
2011-03-23 11:12                             ` Mark Brown
2011-03-23 11:28                               ` Paul Mundt
2011-03-22 22:05                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 22:20                         ` Kay Sievers
2011-03-22 22:42                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 22:56                             ` Kay Sievers
2011-03-22 23:05                         ` Kay Sievers
2011-03-22 23:47                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 20:19             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-23  9:59               ` Paul Mundt
2011-03-23 20:39                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-13 13:04     ` [PATCH 10/10] ARM: Use struct syscore_ops instead of sysdevs for PM in timer and leds Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-14  9:06       ` Stephen Boyd
2011-03-14 19:54         ` [Update] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-21 23:31   ` [PATCH 0/6] Do not use sysdevs for implementing "core" PM operations on x86 Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-21 23:34     ` [PATCH 1/6] x86: Use syscore_ops instead of sysdev classes and sysdevs Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-21 23:35     ` [PATCH 2/6] timekeeping: Use syscore_ops instead of sysdev class and sysdev Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-21 23:36     ` [PATCH 3/6] PCI / Intel IOMMU: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 10:57       ` Joerg Roedel
2011-03-22 22:07         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-23  7:48           ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-03-21 23:37     ` [PATCH 4/6] KVM: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22  9:18       ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-21 23:38     ` [PATCH 5/6] cpufreq: Use syscore_ops for boot CPU suspend/resume (v2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-21 23:38     ` [PATCH 6/6] Introduce ARCH_NO_SYSDEV_OPS config option (v2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-22 10:32     ` [PATCH 0/6] Do not use sysdevs for implementing "core" PM operations on x86 Ingo Molnar
2011-03-22 20:33       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-03-25 22:51         ` [GIT PULL] More power management updates for 2.6.39 Rafael J. Wysocki

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