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From: Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davej@redhat.com,
	kees.cook@canonical.com, davem@davemloft.net, eranian@google.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, adobriyan@gmail.com,
	penberg@kernel.org, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	pageexec@freemail.hu
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Randomize kernel base address on boot
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:04:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1306278296.1921.10.camel@dan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DDC31DF.5010303@zytor.com>

On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 15:31 -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 05/24/2011 01:31 PM, Dan Rosenberg wrote:
> > This introduces CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE, which randomizes the address at
> > which the kernel is decompressed at boot as a security feature that
> > deters exploit attempts relying on knowledge of the location of kernel
> > internals.  The default values of the kptr_restrict and dmesg_restrict
> > sysctls are set to (1) when this is enabled, since hiding kernel
> > pointers is necessary to preserve the secrecy of the randomized base
> > address.
> > 
> > This feature also uses a fixed mapping to move the IDT (if not already
> > done as a fix for the F00F bug), to avoid exposing the location of
> > kernel internals relative to the original IDT.  This has the additional
> > security benefit of marking the new virtual address of the IDT
> > read-only.
> 
> As written, I think this is unsafe, simply because the kernel has no
> idea what memory is actually safe to relocate into, and your code
> doesn't actually make any attempt at doing so.
> 
> The fact that you change CONFIG_PHYSICAL_ALIGN is particularly
> devastating, and will introduce boot failures on real systems.
> 
> For this to be acceptable, you need to at the very least:
> 
> 1. Verify the in the address map passed to the kernel where it is safe
>    to locate the kernel;

I'll do this, thanks.

> 2. Not introduce a performance regression (we avoid locating in the
>    bottom 16 MiB for performance reasons, except on very small systems);

I altered the boot code so that it uses CONFIG_PHYSICAL_START, which
defaults to 16 MiB, as a lower bound on location.  So nothing will ever
get loaded below there, and I still can take advantage of higher
alignment granularity.  Are there other problems I'm not anticipating?

> 3. Make sure not to break kdump.
> 

Ok, I'll be sure to add this to the list of things to test.

Thanks for the feedback.

-Dan



  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-24 23:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-24 20:31 [RFC][PATCH] Randomize kernel base address on boot Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 21:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24 22:55   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 21:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24 23:00   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25 11:23     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25 14:20       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25 14:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24 23:06   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-25 14:03     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25 14:14       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25 15:48       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-25 16:15         ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25 16:24           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 21:46 ` Brian Gerst
2011-05-24 23:01   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 23:04   ` Dan Rosenberg [this message]
2011-05-24 23:07     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 23:34       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 23:36         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 23:14   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 23:08 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25  2:05   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-26 20:01 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-26 20:06   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-26 20:16   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-05-26 20:31     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27  9:36       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-26 20:35 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-26 20:40   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-26 20:44     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-26 20:55       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27  9:38         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:07           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27 13:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:13       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27 13:21         ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27 13:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:50           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-26 20:39 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27  7:15   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 16:52   ` Matthew Garrett
2011-05-31 18:40     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-31 18:51       ` Matthew Garrett
2011-05-31 19:03         ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-31 19:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-31 19:50           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 19:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 20:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-31 20:27               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 20:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-01  6:18                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-01 15:44                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-31 20:17             ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-26 22:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-26 22:32   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27  0:26     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27 16:21       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-27  2:45     ` Dave Jones
2011-05-27  9:40       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 16:11         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-27 16:07     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-27 15:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 16:11     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27 17:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:06       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27 17:10       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27 17:13         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27 17:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 17:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:20           ` Kees Cook
2011-05-27 17:16         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:21           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 17:46             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27 18:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 19:15                   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27 21:37                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27 23:51                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-28 12:18                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29  1:13                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-29 12:47                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 18:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-29 18:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 18:52                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-29 19:56                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 18:17                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 18:43                   ` Kees Cook
2011-05-27 18:48                   ` david
2011-05-27 21:51                   ` Olivier Galibert
2011-05-27 22:11                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-05-28  0:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-28  6:32                     ` Ingo Molnar

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