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From: Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davej@redhat.com,
	kees.cook@canonical.com, davem@davemloft.net, eranian@google.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, adobriyan@gmail.com,
	penberg@kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	pageexec@freemail.hu
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Randomize kernel base address on boot
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:06:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1306440410.2279.2.camel@dan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110526200121.GG29496@redhat.com>

On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 16:01 -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 04:31:45PM -0400, Dan Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> [..]
> >  ==============================================================
> >  
> > diff --git a/arch/x86/Kconfig b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> > index 880fcb6..999ea82 100644
> > --- a/arch/x86/Kconfig
> > +++ b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> > @@ -1548,8 +1548,8 @@ config PHYSICAL_START
> >  	  If kernel is a not relocatable (CONFIG_RELOCATABLE=n) then
> >  	  bzImage will decompress itself to above physical address and
> >  	  run from there. Otherwise, bzImage will run from the address where
> > -	  it has been loaded by the boot loader and will ignore above physical
> > -	  address.
> > +	  it has been loaded by the boot loader, using the above physical
> > +	  address as a lower bound.
> >  
> >  	  In normal kdump cases one does not have to set/change this option
> >  	  as now bzImage can be compiled as a completely relocatable image
> > @@ -1595,7 +1595,31 @@ config RELOCATABLE
> >  
> >  	  Note: If CONFIG_RELOCATABLE=y, then the kernel runs from the address
> >  	  it has been loaded at and the compile time physical address
> > -	  (CONFIG_PHYSICAL_START) is ignored.
> > +	  (CONFIG_PHYSICAL_START) is solely used as a lower bound.
> > +
> 
> This does not sound too good. Overloading the definition of PHYSICAL_START
> with minimum address. The very definition of relocatable kernel is that
> it should be able to run from the physical address it has been loaded
> at (subjected to alignment constraints).
> 
> So I don't think overloading CONFIG_PHYSICAL_START definition is a good
> idea. In fact there is no reason that why kdump kernels should not run
> and boot below 16MB. So limiting those kernels to not load and run
> below 16MB is does not sound like good option to me.
> 

I'm going to revisit this part of the patch and think of a better way to
do this.

> Also randomization of kernel load address at run time will probably have
> some issues with crashkernel=X@Y address syntax. So far user knew what
> address first kernel is booting from and user could speicy where to 
> reserve memory. Now it might happen that user specified some memory
> to reserve and kernel decided to occupy that space resulting in failed
> memory reservation for crash kernel.
> 

Ok, added to the list of things to figure out.  Thanks.

> Thanks
> Vivek



  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-26 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-24 20:31 [RFC][PATCH] Randomize kernel base address on boot Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 21:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24 22:55   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 21:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24 23:00   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25 11:23     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25 14:20       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25 14:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24 23:06   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-25 14:03     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25 14:14       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25 15:48       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-25 16:15         ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25 16:24           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 21:46 ` Brian Gerst
2011-05-24 23:01   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 23:04   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 23:07     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 23:34       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-24 23:36         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 23:14   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-24 23:08 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-25  2:05   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-26 20:01 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-26 20:06   ` Dan Rosenberg [this message]
2011-05-26 20:16   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-05-26 20:31     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27  9:36       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-26 20:35 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-26 20:40   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-26 20:44     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-26 20:55       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27  9:38         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:07           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27 13:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:13       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27 13:21         ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27 13:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:50           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-26 20:39 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27  7:15   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 16:52   ` Matthew Garrett
2011-05-31 18:40     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-31 18:51       ` Matthew Garrett
2011-05-31 19:03         ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-31 19:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-31 19:50           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 19:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 20:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-31 20:27               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 20:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-01  6:18                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-01 15:44                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-31 20:17             ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-26 22:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-26 22:32   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27  0:26     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27 16:21       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-27  2:45     ` Dave Jones
2011-05-27  9:40       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 16:11         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-27 16:07     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-27 15:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 16:11     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27 17:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:06       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27 17:10       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-27 17:13         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27 17:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 17:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:20           ` Kees Cook
2011-05-27 17:16         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:21           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 17:46             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27 18:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 19:15                   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-05-27 21:37                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-27 23:51                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-28 12:18                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29  1:13                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-29 12:47                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 18:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-29 18:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 18:52                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-29 19:56                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-27 18:17                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 18:43                   ` Kees Cook
2011-05-27 18:48                   ` david
2011-05-27 21:51                   ` Olivier Galibert
2011-05-27 22:11                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-05-28  0:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-28  6:32                     ` Ingo Molnar

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