[PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Sasha Levin]

This patch adds 'make kvmconfig' which allows to add KVM guest support
to a config file.

This allows for easier testing of configurations under virtualized
environments.

Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Suggested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Signed-off-by: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
---

Updated sym list to include everything required when starting from
'make allnoconfig' plus KGDB support.

 arch/x86/Kconfig         |   27 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 scripts/kconfig/Makefile |    6 +++++-
 2 files changed, 32 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)

diff --git a/arch/x86/Kconfig b/arch/x86/Kconfig
index 6a47bb2..0b74528 100644
--- a/arch/x86/Kconfig
+++ b/arch/x86/Kconfig
@@ -520,6 +520,33 @@ config SCHED_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER
 
 	  If in doubt, say "Y".
 
+config KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE
+	bool "Enable options to create a bootable tools/kvm/ kernel"
+	select NET
+	select NETDEVICES
+	select PCI
+	select BLK_DEV
+	select NETWORK_FILESYSTEMS
+	select INET
+	select EXPERIMENTAL
+	select SERIAL_8250
+	select SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE
+	select IP_PNP
+	select IP_PNP_DHCP
+	select BINFMT_ELF
+	select PCI_MSI
+	select KGDB
+	select KGDB_SERIAL_CONSOLE
+	select VIRTIO
+	select VIRTIO_RING
+	select VIRTIO_PCI
+	select VIRTIO_BLK
+	select VIRTIO_CONSOLE
+	select VIRTIO_NET
+	select 9P_FS
+	select NET_9P
+	select NET_9P_VIRTIO
+
 menuconfig PARAVIRT_GUEST
 	bool "Paravirtualized guest support"
 	---help---
diff --git a/scripts/kconfig/Makefile b/scripts/kconfig/Makefile
index 82d2eb2..356e551 100644
--- a/scripts/kconfig/Makefile
+++ b/scripts/kconfig/Makefile
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
 # These targets are used from top-level makefile
 
 PHONY += oldconfig xconfig gconfig menuconfig config silentoldconfig update-po-config \
-	localmodconfig localyesconfig
+	localmodconfig localyesconfig kvmconfig
 
 ifdef KBUILD_KCONFIG
 Kconfig := $(KBUILD_KCONFIG)
@@ -33,6 +33,10 @@ silentoldconfig: $(obj)/conf
 	$(Q)mkdir -p include/generated
 	$< --$@ $(Kconfig)
 
+kvmconfig:
+	$(Q)$(CONFIG_SHELL) $(srctree)/scripts/config -e KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE
+	@echo 'Kernel configuration modified to run as KVM guest.'
+
 # if no path is given, then use src directory to find file
 ifdef LSMOD
 LSMOD_F := $(LSMOD)
-- 
1.7.7.1

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Pekka Enberg]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> This patch adds 'make kvmconfig' which allows to add KVM guest support
> to a config file.
>
> This allows for easier testing of configurations under virtualized
> environments.
>
> Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>
> Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
> Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Suggested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> Signed-off-by: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>

Acked-by: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>

Btw, Michal, if people are OK with the patch I'd really love to take
this patch in my kvmtool git tree to have it contained in a single
pull request.

> ---
>
> Updated sym list to include everything required when starting from
> 'make allnoconfig' plus KGDB support.
>
>  arch/x86/Kconfig         |   27 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  scripts/kconfig/Makefile |    6 +++++-
>  2 files changed, 32 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/x86/Kconfig b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> index 6a47bb2..0b74528 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> @@ -520,6 +520,33 @@ config SCHED_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER
>
>          If in doubt, say "Y".
>
> +config KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE
> +       bool "Enable options to create a bootable tools/kvm/ kernel"
> +       select NET
> +       select NETDEVICES
> +       select PCI
> +       select BLK_DEV
> +       select NETWORK_FILESYSTEMS
> +       select INET
> +       select EXPERIMENTAL
> +       select SERIAL_8250
> +       select SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE
> +       select IP_PNP
> +       select IP_PNP_DHCP
> +       select BINFMT_ELF
> +       select PCI_MSI
> +       select KGDB
> +       select KGDB_SERIAL_CONSOLE
> +       select VIRTIO
> +       select VIRTIO_RING
> +       select VIRTIO_PCI
> +       select VIRTIO_BLK
> +       select VIRTIO_CONSOLE
> +       select VIRTIO_NET
> +       select 9P_FS
> +       select NET_9P
> +       select NET_9P_VIRTIO
> +
>  menuconfig PARAVIRT_GUEST
>        bool "Paravirtualized guest support"
>        ---help---
> diff --git a/scripts/kconfig/Makefile b/scripts/kconfig/Makefile
> index 82d2eb2..356e551 100644
> --- a/scripts/kconfig/Makefile
> +++ b/scripts/kconfig/Makefile
> @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
>  # These targets are used from top-level makefile
>
>  PHONY += oldconfig xconfig gconfig menuconfig config silentoldconfig update-po-config \
> -       localmodconfig localyesconfig
> +       localmodconfig localyesconfig kvmconfig
>
>  ifdef KBUILD_KCONFIG
>  Kconfig := $(KBUILD_KCONFIG)
> @@ -33,6 +33,10 @@ silentoldconfig: $(obj)/conf
>        $(Q)mkdir -p include/generated
>        $< --$@ $(Kconfig)
>
> +kvmconfig:
> +       $(Q)$(CONFIG_SHELL) $(srctree)/scripts/config -e KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE
> +       @echo 'Kernel configuration modified to run as KVM guest.'
> +
>  # if no path is given, then use src directory to find file
>  ifdef LSMOD
>  LSMOD_F := $(LSMOD)
> --
> 1.7.7.1
>
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Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This patch adds 'make kvmconfig' which allows to add KVM guest support
> > to a config file.
> >
> > This allows for easier testing of configurations under virtualized
> > environments.
> >
> > Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> > Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> > Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>
> > Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
> > Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
> > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> > Suggested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> > Signed-off-by: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
> 
> Acked-by: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
> 
> Btw, Michal, if people are OK with the patch I'd really love to 
> take this patch in my kvmtool git tree to have it contained in a 
> single pull request.

I like the feature - i hope it's expressed in the right Kbuild-ish 
fashion.

Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Michal Marek]

On 27.10.2011 14:37, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This patch adds 'make kvmconfig' which allows to add KVM guest support
>>> to a config file.
>>>
>>> This allows for easier testing of configurations under virtualized
>>> environments.
>>>
>>> Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
>>> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
>>> Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>
>>> Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
>>> Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
>>> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
>>> Suggested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
>>> Signed-off-by: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
>>
>> Acked-by: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
>>
>> Btw, Michal, if people are OK with the patch I'd really love to 
>> take this patch in my kvmtool git tree to have it contained in a 
>> single pull request.
> 
> I like the feature - i hope it's expressed in the right Kbuild-ish 
> fashion.
> 
> Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>

I hope we won't now also be getting make nfsconfig, make paeconfig and
whatnot :). Also, the lists of select statements might need updates from
time to time, if new dependencies appear.

Michal

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:

> On 27.10.2011 14:37, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> This patch adds 'make kvmconfig' which allows to add KVM guest support
> >>> to a config file.
> >>>
> >>> This allows for easier testing of configurations under virtualized
> >>> environments.
> >>>
> >>> Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> >>> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> >>> Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>
> >>> Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
> >>> Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
> >>> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> >>> Suggested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Acked-by: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
> >>
> >> Btw, Michal, if people are OK with the patch I'd really love to 
> >> take this patch in my kvmtool git tree to have it contained in a 
> >> single pull request.
> > 
> > I like the feature - i hope it's expressed in the right Kbuild-ish 
> > fashion.
> > 
> > Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> 
> I hope we won't now also be getting make nfsconfig, make paeconfig 
> and whatnot :).

;-)

Well, we could make any such future naming fit into it naturally. 
'make defconfig kvm' perhaps?

> [...] Also, the lists of select statements might need updates from 
> time to time, if new dependencies appear.

Yeah, correct.

I have a similar solution myself, a 'make ingoconfig' in essence, to 
make stuff boot on my test-boxes - and updates are needed every now 
and then - about once a year. It's manageable.

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Pekka Enberg]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:
>> I like the feature - i hope it's expressed in the right Kbuild-ish
>> fashion.
>>
>> Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
>
> I hope we won't now also be getting make nfsconfig, make paeconfig and
> whatnot :). Also, the lists of select statements might need updates from
> time to time, if new dependencies appear.

The use case is to be able to take a .config posted in a bug report
and easily turn that into something that the KVM tool can boot.

"kvmconfig" really represents a virtualized x86 architecture
configuration. Maybe the naming is off because it's not about
individual features like paeconfig or nfsconfig would be but rather
about turning on all the required options for virtualized x86 for the
KVM tool.

If you have better ideas how to do this, we're happy to change the
implementation.

                        Pekka

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Michal Marek]

On 27.10.2011 16:11, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:
>>> I like the feature - i hope it's expressed in the right Kbuild-ish
>>> fashion.
>>>
>>> Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
>>
>> I hope we won't now also be getting make nfsconfig, make paeconfig and
>> whatnot :). Also, the lists of select statements might need updates from
>> time to time, if new dependencies appear.
> 
> The use case is to be able to take a .config posted in a bug report
> and easily turn that into something that the KVM tool can boot.
> 
> "kvmconfig" really represents a virtualized x86 architecture
> configuration. Maybe the naming is off because it's not about
> individual features like paeconfig or nfsconfig would be but rather
> about turning on all the required options for virtualized x86 for the
> KVM tool.

OK, if it's just this single use case, then why not.


> If you have better ideas how to do this, we're happy to change the
> implementation.

The implementation is not as important as the new user interface that
people get used to. And I think the user interface is OK. Regarding
implementation, expect that you'll have to add more select statements
from time to time. But there is ATM no better solution to this.

Michal

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Arnaud Lacombe]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:
> On 27.10.2011 16:11, Pekka Enberg wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:
>>>> I like the feature - i hope it's expressed in the right Kbuild-ish
>>>> fashion.
>>>>
>>>> Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
>>>
>>> I hope we won't now also be getting make nfsconfig, make paeconfig and
>>> whatnot :). Also, the lists of select statements might need updates from
>>> time to time, if new dependencies appear.
>>
>> The use case is to be able to take a .config posted in a bug report
>> and easily turn that into something that the KVM tool can boot.
>>
>> "kvmconfig" really represents a virtualized x86 architecture
>> configuration. Maybe the naming is off because it's not about
>> individual features like paeconfig or nfsconfig would be but rather
>> about turning on all the required options for virtualized x86 for the
>> KVM tool.
>
> OK, if it's just this single use case, then why not.
>
Still, it should not be a pretext to open the Pendora's box and have
15 different hack popping up in the future.

>> If you have better ideas how to do this, we're happy to change the
>> implementation.
>
> The implementation is not as important as the new user interface that
> people get used to. And I think the user interface is OK. Regarding
> implementation, expect that you'll have to add more select statements
> from time to time. But there is ATM no better solution to this.
>
what about providing hook for sourcing a given Makefile ? I can have a
look at that tonight.

 - Arnaud

> Michal
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Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Arnaud Lacombe]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:
>>> I like the feature - i hope it's expressed in the right Kbuild-ish
>>> fashion.
>>>
>>> Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
>>
>> I hope we won't now also be getting make nfsconfig, make paeconfig and
>> whatnot :). Also, the lists of select statements might need updates from
>> time to time, if new dependencies appear.
>
> The use case is to be able to take a .config posted in a bug report
> and easily turn that into something that the KVM tool can boot.
>
> "kvmconfig" really represents a virtualized x86 architecture
> configuration.
>
How do you expect:

# make ARCH=hexagon kvmconfig

to behave ? If it is not meant to work outside the x86 world, it
should not be accessible outside the x86 world.

> Maybe the naming is off because it's not about
> individual features like paeconfig or nfsconfig would be but rather
> about turning on all the required options for virtualized x86 for the
> KVM tool.
>
> If you have better ideas how to do this, we're happy to change the
> implementation.
>
As I said, I'll have a look tonight to provide a better implementation.

 - Arnaud

>                        Pekka
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Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Pekka Enberg]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The use case is to be able to take a .config posted in a bug report
>> and easily turn that into something that the KVM tool can boot.
>>
>> "kvmconfig" really represents a virtualized x86 architecture
>> configuration.
>>
> How do you expect:
>
> # make ARCH=hexagon kvmconfig
>
> to behave ? If it is not meant to work outside the x86 world, it
> should not be accessible outside the x86 world.

Right. Hexagon is not interesting but ARM and PowerPC will be if
someone ports the KVM tool to the architectures.

>> Maybe the naming is off because it's not about
>> individual features like paeconfig or nfsconfig would be but rather
>> about turning on all the required options for virtualized x86 for the
>> KVM tool.
>>
>> If you have better ideas how to do this, we're happy to change the
>> implementation.
>>
> As I said, I'll have a look tonight to provide a better implementation.

Excellent, thanks!

                        Pekka

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Rabin Vincent]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 17:37, Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> +config KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE
> +       bool "Enable options to create a bootable tools/kvm/ kernel"
> +       select NET
> +       select NETDEVICES
> +       select PCI
> +       select BLK_DEV
> +       select NETWORK_FILESYSTEMS
> +       select INET
> +       select EXPERIMENTAL
> +       select SERIAL_8250
> +       select SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE
> +       select IP_PNP
> +       select IP_PNP_DHCP
> +       select BINFMT_ELF
> +       select PCI_MSI
> +       select KGDB
> +       select KGDB_SERIAL_CONSOLE
> +       select VIRTIO
> +       select VIRTIO_RING
> +       select VIRTIO_PCI
> +       select VIRTIO_BLK
> +       select VIRTIO_CONSOLE
> +       select VIRTIO_NET
> +       select 9P_FS
> +       select NET_9P
> +       select NET_9P_VIRTIO

This lot doesn't seem to be enough for me on next-20111025.  I seem to
have to also enable CONFIG_FB_VESA for the kernel to boot.

Without CONFIG_FB_VESA, I just get:

$ tools/kvm/kvm run --debug arch/x86/boot/bzImage --disk
~/kernel/linux-0.2.img
  # kvm run -k arch/x86/boot/bzImage -m 448 -c 4 --name guest-11466
PPrroobbiinngg  EEDDDD  ((eedddd==ooffff  ttoo  ddiissaabbllee))......  ookk
<no more output>

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Sasha Levin]

On Thu, 2011-10-27 at 23:35 +0530, Rabin Vincent wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 17:37, Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +config KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE
> > +       bool "Enable options to create a bootable tools/kvm/ kernel"
> > +       select NET
> > +       select NETDEVICES
> > +       select PCI
> > +       select BLK_DEV
> > +       select NETWORK_FILESYSTEMS
> > +       select INET
> > +       select EXPERIMENTAL
> > +       select SERIAL_8250
> > +       select SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE
> > +       select IP_PNP
> > +       select IP_PNP_DHCP
> > +       select BINFMT_ELF
> > +       select PCI_MSI
> > +       select KGDB
> > +       select KGDB_SERIAL_CONSOLE
> > +       select VIRTIO
> > +       select VIRTIO_RING
> > +       select VIRTIO_PCI
> > +       select VIRTIO_BLK
> > +       select VIRTIO_CONSOLE
> > +       select VIRTIO_NET
> > +       select 9P_FS
> > +       select NET_9P
> > +       select NET_9P_VIRTIO
> 
> This lot doesn't seem to be enough for me on next-20111025.  I seem to
> have to also enable CONFIG_FB_VESA for the kernel to boot.
> 
> Without CONFIG_FB_VESA, I just get:
> 
> $ tools/kvm/kvm run --debug arch/x86/boot/bzImage --disk
> ~/kernel/linux-0.2.img
>   # kvm run -k arch/x86/boot/bzImage -m 448 -c 4 --name guest-11466
> PPrroobbiinngg  EEDDDD  ((eedddd==ooffff  ttoo  ddiissaabbllee))......  ookk
> <no more output>

This is a kvm tools issue and should be fixed within kvm tools.

-- 

Sasha.

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Sam Ravnborg]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 02:07:14PM +0200, Sasha Levin wrote:
> This patch adds 'make kvmconfig' which allows to add KVM guest support
> to a config file.
> 
> This allows for easier testing of configurations under virtualized
> environments.
> 
> Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>
> Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
> Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Suggested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> Signed-off-by: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>

Two points about the implmentation that I do not like...

The kvmconfig is an x86 specific thing - so it does not belong
in the scripts/kconfig/Makefile

The *config namespace is general config targets.

Suggestion:
Move the implmentation to arch/x86/Makefile and name the target
something that does not match the *config pattern.

Suggestion:

   make kvmbootable

To tell that this convert the current config to a kvmbootable config.

And then add the target to the x86 specific help too.

	Sam

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 02:07:14PM +0200, Sasha Levin wrote:
> > This patch adds 'make kvmconfig' which allows to add KVM guest support
> > to a config file.
> > 
> > This allows for easier testing of configurations under virtualized
> > environments.
> > 
> > Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> > Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> > Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>
> > Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
> > Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
> > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> > Suggested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> > Signed-off-by: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
> 
> Two points about the implmentation that I do not like...
> 
> The kvmconfig is an x86 specific thing - so it does not belong
> in the scripts/kconfig/Makefile
> 
> The *config namespace is general config targets.
> 
> Suggestion:
> Move the implmentation to arch/x86/Makefile and name the target
> something that does not match the *config pattern.
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
>    make kvmbootable
> 
> To tell that this convert the current config to a kvmbootable config.
> 
> And then add the target to the x86 specific help too.

KVM itself is not x86 specific (although this patch obviously is), so 
we'd like to keep at least the naming non-x86.

Furthermore, the functionality generally fits into the pattern that 
'oldconfig' does: it changes an existing config - so having 'config' 
in the name somewhere makes quite a bit of sense. If i didn't know 
what 'kvmbootable' does i couldnt guess that it touches the .config - 
while the *config pattern makes that patently obvious.

Could we set aside some sort of name for such subsystem specific 
purposes and be done with it? Could we reuse the 'defconfig' 
naming perhaps and make it richer:

	make defconfig kvm

or:

	make defconfig-kvm

? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Sasha Levin]

On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 09:03 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 02:07:14PM +0200, Sasha Levin wrote:
> > > This patch adds 'make kvmconfig' which allows to add KVM guest support
> > > to a config file.
> > > 
> > > This allows for easier testing of configurations under virtualized
> > > environments.
> > > 
> > > Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> > > Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> > > Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>
> > > Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
> > > Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
> > > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> > > Suggested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> > > Signed-off-by: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
> > 
> > Two points about the implmentation that I do not like...
> > 
> > The kvmconfig is an x86 specific thing - so it does not belong
> > in the scripts/kconfig/Makefile
> > 
> > The *config namespace is general config targets.
> > 
> > Suggestion:
> > Move the implmentation to arch/x86/Makefile and name the target
> > something that does not match the *config pattern.
> > 
> > Suggestion:
> > 
> >    make kvmbootable
> > 
> > To tell that this convert the current config to a kvmbootable config.
> > 
> > And then add the target to the x86 specific help too.
> 
> KVM itself is not x86 specific (although this patch obviously is), so 
> we'd like to keep at least the naming non-x86.
> 
> Furthermore, the functionality generally fits into the pattern that 
> 'oldconfig' does: it changes an existing config - so having 'config' 
> in the name somewhere makes quite a bit of sense. If i didn't know 
> what 'kvmbootable' does i couldnt guess that it touches the .config - 
> while the *config pattern makes that patently obvious.
> 
> Could we set aside some sort of name for such subsystem specific 
> purposes and be done with it? Could we reuse the 'defconfig' 
> naming perhaps and make it richer:
> 
> 	make defconfig kvm
> 
> or:
> 
> 	make defconfig-kvm
> 
> ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.

We can possibly make 'make defconfig abc' run arch specific script
located next to the defconfig files (arch/$(ARCH)/configs/).

It would both solve the problem with being arch specific, and would
allow for future expansion of other 'kvm defconfig' options.

-- 

Sasha.

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:

> > ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.
> 
> We can possibly make 'make defconfig abc' run arch specific script 
> located next to the defconfig files (arch/$(ARCH)/configs/).

AFAICS that's not the same as the current kvmconfig functionality 
though: we want to minimally enable certain config options in the 
current .config - not pick some default config.

My main usecase for this is that i want to minimally change .config's 
that get mailed to me, to reproduce a bug reporter's kernel as 
closely as possible - and be able to boot it in KVM.

It's a straightforward, very useful feature, i've been using my own 
similar hack to do something similar for years and it works very 
well.

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Sasha Levin]

On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 09:39 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.
> > 
> > We can possibly make 'make defconfig abc' run arch specific script 
> > located next to the defconfig files (arch/$(ARCH)/configs/).
> 
> AFAICS that's not the same as the current kvmconfig functionality 
> though: we want to minimally enable certain config options in the 
> current .config - not pick some default config.

Yup, I wasn't planning on it to work like defconfig does where it just
uses a default config, thats why I said 'run arch specific script' :)

That script could either copy over a default config, or simply add
config options like what we're interested in doing.

-- 

Sasha.

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 09:39 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.
> > > 
> > > We can possibly make 'make defconfig abc' run arch specific script 
> > > located next to the defconfig files (arch/$(ARCH)/configs/).
> > 
> > AFAICS that's not the same as the current kvmconfig functionality 
> > though: we want to minimally enable certain config options in the 
> > current .config - not pick some default config.
> 
> Yup, I wasn't planning on it to work like defconfig does where it 
> just uses a default config, thats why I said 'run arch specific 
> script' :)
> 
> That script could either copy over a default config, or simply add 
> config options like what we're interested in doing.

i'd be fine with that extension to defconfig functionality. It in 
fact makes much more sense than the *current* defconfig functionality 
which is kind of a joke (as it's really just an arbitrary config).

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:03, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> * Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org> wrote:
>> The kvmconfig is an x86 specific thing - so it does not belong
>> in the scripts/kconfig/Makefile
>>
>> The *config namespace is general config targets.
>>
>> Suggestion:
>> Move the implmentation to arch/x86/Makefile and name the target
>> something that does not match the *config pattern.
>>
>> Suggestion:
>>
>>    make kvmbootable
>>
>> To tell that this convert the current config to a kvmbootable config.
>>
>> And then add the target to the x86 specific help too.
>
> KVM itself is not x86 specific (although this patch obviously is), so
> we'd like to keep at least the naming non-x86.
>
> Furthermore, the functionality generally fits into the pattern that
> 'oldconfig' does: it changes an existing config - so having 'config'
> in the name somewhere makes quite a bit of sense. If i didn't know
> what 'kvmbootable' does i couldnt guess that it touches the .config -
> while the *config pattern makes that patently obvious.
>
> Could we set aside some sort of name for such subsystem specific
> purposes and be done with it? Could we reuse the 'defconfig'
> naming perhaps and make it richer:
>
>        make defconfig kvm
>
> or:
>
>        make defconfig-kvm
>
> ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.

This fits in the generic "I have a .config and I want to enable an additional
option" functionality:

make oldconfig CONFIG_KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE=y

Don't we already have that support? I seem to remember it flying by.
Or was it just a proposal that never got implemented?

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:

> > ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.
> 
> This fits in the generic "I have a .config and I want to enable an 
> additional option" functionality:
> 
> make oldconfig CONFIG_KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE=y
> 
> Don't we already have that support? I seem to remember it flying 
> by. Or was it just a proposal that never got implemented?

Well, it would be nice to have something (much) shorter and more 
obvious, as we really expect to use this frequently.

Maybe:

  make oldconfig kvm

would work too.

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Matthias Schniedermeyer]

On 28.10.2011 09:54, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> 
> > > ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.
> > 
> > This fits in the generic "I have a .config and I want to enable an 
> > additional option" functionality:
> > 
> > make oldconfig CONFIG_KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE=y
> > 
> > Don't we already have that support? I seem to remember it flying 
> > by. Or was it just a proposal that never got implemented?
> 
> Well, it would be nice to have something (much) shorter and more 
> obvious, as we really expect to use this frequently.
> 
> Maybe:
> 
>   make oldconfig kvm

Maybe something more obvious?:
make modconfig kvm
or
make modconfig=kvm

That would also fit nicely for future addition.



Bis denn

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bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in women. No, the Real Programmer
wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor -- complicated, 
cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous.

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de> wrote:

> On 28.10.2011 09:54, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > > ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.
> > > 
> > > This fits in the generic "I have a .config and I want to enable an 
> > > additional option" functionality:
> > > 
> > > make oldconfig CONFIG_KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE=y
> > > 
> > > Don't we already have that support? I seem to remember it flying 
> > > by. Or was it just a proposal that never got implemented?
> > 
> > Well, it would be nice to have something (much) shorter and more 
> > obvious, as we really expect to use this frequently.
> > 
> > Maybe:
> > 
> >   make oldconfig kvm
> 
> Maybe something more obvious?:
> make modconfig kvm
> or
> make modconfig=kvm

Well, i run distinctly non-modular kernels so modconfig would not be 
particularly good. Also, many of the features enabled are non-modular 
core kernel features to begin with.

But i don't particularly care about how it's named, as long as 
there's a sane and obvious shortcut for it.

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Matthias Schniedermeyer]

On 28.10.2011 14:29, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de> wrote:
> 
> > On 28.10.2011 09:54, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > 
> > > * Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.
> > > > 
> > > > This fits in the generic "I have a .config and I want to enable an 
> > > > additional option" functionality:
> > > > 
> > > > make oldconfig CONFIG_KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE=y
> > > > 
> > > > Don't we already have that support? I seem to remember it flying 
> > > > by. Or was it just a proposal that never got implemented?
> > > 
> > > Well, it would be nice to have something (much) shorter and more 
> > > obvious, as we really expect to use this frequently.
> > > 
> > > Maybe:
> > > 
> > >   make oldconfig kvm
> > 
> > Maybe something more obvious?:
> > make modconfig kvm
> > or
> > make modconfig=kvm
> 
> Well, i run distinctly non-modular kernels so modconfig would not be 
> particularly good. Also, many of the features enabled are non-modular 
> core kernel features to begin with.

I thougt about that just as i send the e-mail, to near to "mod"ular. 
What i meant was "mod"ify.

And AFAICS there currently is no "modconfig", only an "allmodconfig" 
(and "localmodconfig")

With no letters dropped it would be less ambiguous.
make modifyconfig=kvm




Bis denn

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bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in women. No, the Real Programmer
wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor -- complicated, 
cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous.

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de> wrote:

> And AFAICS there currently is no "modconfig", only an 
> "allmodconfig" (and "localmodconfig")
> 
> With no letters dropped it would be less ambiguous. make 
> modifyconfig=kvm

Yeah. Note that it's more like an 'add' operation, not a modify 
operation, thus:

	make addconfig=kvm

or:

	make addconfig kvm

would be intuitive and would work well too.

Sam, Michal, which one would you prefer? The latter might have the 
advantage that it's additive, enabling future usages like:

	make addconfig kvm debug

as a quick shortcut to enable baseline KVM support and generic kernel 
debugging features, without having to twiddle with the menuconfig.

Hm? Would be nice to move on this issue, we've painted it to death 
already ;-)

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Michal Marek]

On 2.11.2011 09:41, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de> wrote:
> 
>> And AFAICS there currently is no "modconfig", only an 
>> "allmodconfig" (and "localmodconfig")
>>
>> With no letters dropped it would be less ambiguous. make 
>> modifyconfig=kvm
> 
> Yeah. Note that it's more like an 'add' operation, not a modify 
> operation, thus:
> 
> 	make addconfig=kvm
> 
> or:
> 
> 	make addconfig kvm
> 
> would be intuitive and would work well too.
> 
> Sam, Michal, which one would you prefer? The latter might have the 
> advantage that it's additive, enabling future usages like:
> 
> 	make addconfig kvm debug

The problem is that neither of these fit into the make command syntax:

    make addconfig kvm debug

tells make to build three different targets, and

    make addconfig=kvm

tells make to create a variable named addconfig with the value kvm and
build the default target. And BTW, you or someone else reassured me
earlier in the thread that this is going to be needed for the kvm case
solely, so why are you inventing something generic now? :)

Michal

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:

> On 2.11.2011 09:41, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de> wrote:
> > 
> >> And AFAICS there currently is no "modconfig", only an 
> >> "allmodconfig" (and "localmodconfig")
> >>
> >> With no letters dropped it would be less ambiguous. make 
> >> modifyconfig=kvm
> > 
> > Yeah. Note that it's more like an 'add' operation, not a modify 
> > operation, thus:
> > 
> > 	make addconfig=kvm
> > 
> > or:
> > 
> > 	make addconfig kvm
> > 
> > would be intuitive and would work well too.
> > 
> > Sam, Michal, which one would you prefer? The latter might have the 
> > advantage that it's additive, enabling future usages like:
> > 
> > 	make addconfig kvm debug
> 
> The problem is that neither of these fit into the make command syntax:
> 
>     make addconfig kvm debug
> 
> tells make to build three different targets, and
> 
>     make addconfig=kvm
> 
> tells make to create a variable named addconfig with the value kvm 
> and build the default target. And BTW, you or someone else 
> reassured me earlier in the thread that this is going to be needed 
> for the kvm case solely, so why are you inventing something generic 
> now? :)

Because we are trying to find *something* that is both usable and 
which you guys are willing to ack.

So what's your suggestion? Is 'make kvmconfig' OK? It certainly is 
intuitive and useful to us and we could move on to more important 
things to discuss.

Thanks,

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Michal Marek]

On 2.11.2011 10:17, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:
>> On 2.11.2011 09:41, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>>> Yeah. Note that it's more like an 'add' operation, not a modify 
>>> operation, thus:
>>>
>>> 	make addconfig=kvm
>>>
>>> or:
>>>
>>> 	make addconfig kvm
>>>
>>> would be intuitive and would work well too.
>>>
>>> Sam, Michal, which one would you prefer? The latter might have the 
>>> advantage that it's additive, enabling future usages like:
>>>
>>> 	make addconfig kvm debug
>>
>> The problem is that neither of these fit into the make command syntax:
>>
>>     make addconfig kvm debug
>>
>> tells make to build three different targets, and
>>
>>     make addconfig=kvm
>>
>> tells make to create a variable named addconfig with the value kvm 
>> and build the default target. And BTW, you or someone else 
>> reassured me earlier in the thread that this is going to be needed 
>> for the kvm case solely, so why are you inventing something generic 
>> now? :)
> 
> Because we are trying to find *something* that is both usable and 
> which you guys are willing to ack.
> 
> So what's your suggestion? Is 'make kvmconfig' OK?

As I said, make kvmconfig is fine with me, if it's just this single case.

Michal

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Ingo Molnar]

* Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:

> On 2.11.2011 10:17, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz> wrote:
> >> On 2.11.2011 09:41, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >>> Yeah. Note that it's more like an 'add' operation, not a modify 
> >>> operation, thus:
> >>>
> >>> 	make addconfig=kvm
> >>>
> >>> or:
> >>>
> >>> 	make addconfig kvm
> >>>
> >>> would be intuitive and would work well too.
> >>>
> >>> Sam, Michal, which one would you prefer? The latter might have the 
> >>> advantage that it's additive, enabling future usages like:
> >>>
> >>> 	make addconfig kvm debug
> >>
> >> The problem is that neither of these fit into the make command syntax:
> >>
> >>     make addconfig kvm debug
> >>
> >> tells make to build three different targets, and
> >>
> >>     make addconfig=kvm
> >>
> >> tells make to create a variable named addconfig with the value kvm 
> >> and build the default target. And BTW, you or someone else 
> >> reassured me earlier in the thread that this is going to be needed 
> >> for the kvm case solely, so why are you inventing something generic 
> >> now? :)
> > 
> > Because we are trying to find *something* that is both usable and 
> > which you guys are willing to ack.
> > 
> > So what's your suggestion? Is 'make kvmconfig' OK?
> 
> As I said, make kvmconfig is fine with me, if it's just this single case.
> 
> Michal

Great, thanks!

	Ingo

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Pekka Enberg]

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>> As I said, make kvmconfig is fine with me, if it's just this single case.
>
> Great, thanks!

I applied Sasha's patch. We're happy to revisit the Kbuild changes if
someone comes up with something more generic in the future.

                        Pekka

Re: [PATCH] config: Add 'make kvmconfig'

[Sasha Levin]

On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 09:52 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:03, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> > * Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org> wrote:
> >> The kvmconfig is an x86 specific thing - so it does not belong
> >> in the scripts/kconfig/Makefile
> >>
> >> The *config namespace is general config targets.
> >>
> >> Suggestion:
> >> Move the implmentation to arch/x86/Makefile and name the target
> >> something that does not match the *config pattern.
> >>
> >> Suggestion:
> >>
> >>    make kvmbootable
> >>
> >> To tell that this convert the current config to a kvmbootable config.
> >>
> >> And then add the target to the x86 specific help too.
> >
> > KVM itself is not x86 specific (although this patch obviously is), so
> > we'd like to keep at least the naming non-x86.
> >
> > Furthermore, the functionality generally fits into the pattern that
> > 'oldconfig' does: it changes an existing config - so having 'config'
> > in the name somewhere makes quite a bit of sense. If i didn't know
> > what 'kvmbootable' does i couldnt guess that it touches the .config -
> > while the *config pattern makes that patently obvious.
> >
> > Could we set aside some sort of name for such subsystem specific
> > purposes and be done with it? Could we reuse the 'defconfig'
> > naming perhaps and make it richer:
> >
> >        make defconfig kvm
> >
> > or:
> >
> >        make defconfig-kvm
> >
> > ? It would be very obvious at a glance what it does.
> 
> This fits in the generic "I have a .config and I want to enable an additional
> option" functionality:
> 
> make oldconfig CONFIG_KVMTOOL_TEST_ENABLE=y
> 
> Don't we already have that support? I seem to remember it flying by.
> Or was it just a proposal that never got implemented?

AFAIK it never got merged.

-- 

Sasha.