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From: Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/6] PM / Runtime: Introduce flag can_power_off
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:07:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1329199627.19384.6.camel@rui.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1202130958440.1434-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On 一, 2012-02-13 at 10:01 -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Lin Ming wrote:
> 
> > From: Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
> > 
> > Introduce flag can_power_off in device structure to support runtime
> > power off/on.
> > 
> > Note that, for a specific device driver,
> > "support runtime power off/on" means that the driver .runtime_suspend
> > callback needs to
> > 1) save all the context so that it can restore the device back to the previous
> >    working state after powered on.
> > 2) set can_power_off flag to tell the driver model that it's ready for power off.
> > 
> > The following example shows how this works.
> > 
> > device A
> >  |---------|
> >  v         v
> > device B  device C
> > 
> > A is the parent of device B and device C, and device A/B/C shares the
> > same power logic
> > (Only device A knows how to turn on/off the power).
> > 
> > In order to power off A, B, C at runtime,
> > 1) device B and device C should support runtime power off
> >    (runtime suspended with can_power_off flag set)
> > 2) pm idle request for device A is fired by runtime PM core.
> > 3) in device A .runtime_suspend callback, it tries to set can_power_off flag.
> > 4) if succeed, it means all its children have been ready for power off
> >    and it can turn off the power at any time.
> > 5) if failed, it means at least one of its children does not support runtime
> >    power off, thus the power can not be turned off.
> 
> I'm not sure if this is really the right approach.  What you're trying 
> to do is implement two different low-power states, basically D3hot and 
> D3cold.  Currently the runtime PM core doesn't support such things; all 
> it knows about is low power and full power.
> 
Exactly.
what I'm trying to fix here is to add a "special" runtime low power
state, aka, power off.

> Before doing an ad-hoc implementation, it would be best to step back
> and think about other subsystems.  Other sorts of devices may well have
> multiple low-power states.  What's the best way for this to be
> supported by the PM core?
> 
I thought about this before, e.g. introduce support for multiple runtime
low power states in runtime PM core, like suspend/hibernate for system
low power states. But I'm not sure if this is workable because the low
power states varies between devices/buses/platforms.

So I decided to introduce a special low power state, aka, runtime power
off, first, which means the same thing to different
devices/buses/platforms.

thanks,
rui



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-14  6:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-13  9:11 [RFC] ACPI D3Cold state and SATA ZPODD support Lin Ming
2012-02-13  9:11 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] ACPI: Introduce ACPI D3_COLD state support Lin Ming
2012-02-13 20:25   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14  7:07     ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-14 22:29       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16  7:08         ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-17 22:23           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20  5:39             ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-13  9:11 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] ACPI: Reference devices in ACPI Power Resource Lin Ming
2012-02-13 20:48   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14  7:59     ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-14 22:36       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16  7:18         ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-16 15:13           ` Alan Stern
2012-02-17  1:12             ` Lin Ming
2012-02-17 22:37               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  7:05             ` Zhang, Rui
2012-02-17 15:07               ` Alan Stern
2012-02-21 14:07                 ` Lin Ming
2012-02-21 16:06                   ` Alan Stern
2012-02-23 13:41                     ` Lin Ming
2012-02-23 18:10                       ` Alan Stern
2012-02-17 22:34           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20  5:43             ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-13  9:11 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] ACPI: Runtime resume all devices covered by a power resource Lin Ming
2012-02-13  9:11 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] PM / Runtime: Introduce flag can_power_off Lin Ming
2012-02-13 15:01   ` Alan Stern
2012-02-13 19:38     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-13 20:41       ` Alan Stern
2012-02-13 20:50         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14  7:11         ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-14 22:38           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14  6:17       ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-14 22:39         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16  7:41           ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-17 23:54             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-18 12:54               ` huang ying
2012-02-18 20:35                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20  3:23               ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-20 23:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21  1:13                   ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-21 21:43                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  0:57                       ` Zhang Rui
2012-02-14  6:07     ` Zhang Rui [this message]
2012-02-13  9:11 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] PCI: Move acpi_dev_run_wake to acpi core Lin Ming
2012-02-13 20:49   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-13  9:11 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] libata: add ZPODD support Lin Ming
2012-02-15  6:06   ` Aaron Lu
2012-02-15  6:46     ` Lin Ming
2012-02-15  7:18       ` Aaron Lu

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