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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Venki Pallipadi <venki@google.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Kamalesh Babulal <kamalesh@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 14/14] sched: implement usage tracking
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:30:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1329755402.2293.365.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM31R+xLCnPE10SZRYnTMe=O=j5mZEoutH=e3npw5xKOS_s7w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 03:32 -0800, Paul Turner wrote:

> Since we do not know where we slept relative to the tick, unless we
> explicitly track where this occurred we don't know for a "n.y" jiffy
> sleep whether the "0.y" fraction included an extra decay. 

but isn't that the same problem you have in
__update_entity_runnable_avg() where you use ->runnable_avg_period %
1024 ?

Also, shouldn't __synchronize_entity_decay() update
->runnable_avg_period? Surely when you wake up your window fraction
could be different than when you went to sleep?

>  It's
> important to get this right to reduce instability, since when the
> entity wakes back up we need to charge an equivalent decay against
> it's contribution before we can remove it from the blocked_load_sum.
> 
> For the common case of a short sleep whether we charge an extra period
> (if y included a jiffy edge) or not is significant to stability since
> getting it wrong means we leave a little extra load in blocked_load.

Sure..

> Further complicating this we need to be able to do said
> synchronization in the annoying cases of wake-up migration (where we
> don't hold the lock on previous rq) and 32-bit machines (where
> everything sucks).

Ah, wouldn't task_waking_fair() be a better place though?

> >
> > C) 'Migrate'
> >    - uses contributes_blocked_load to check if we actually did migrate?
> >
> 
> We actually use se->avg.decay_count to check whether we were migrated
> (setting it appropriately at migration); contributes_blocked_load is
> just a convenience variable to track whether we're a part of
> cfs_rq->blocked_load_avg or not.

If you use task_waking_fair() you can also use ENQUEUE_WAKING.

> There's a one or two other paths (than ttwu) that this matters for,
> using set_task_rq() gets them all.

What paths are those? Having a cfs hook in the generic code there isn't
pretty an suggests funny things could happen when PI gets done.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-20 16:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-02  1:38 [RFC PATCH 00/14] sched: entity load-tracking re-work Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] sched: normalize tg load contributions against runnable time Paul Turner
2012-02-15 23:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 12:32     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20 16:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 12:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 23:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] sched: compute load contribution by a group entity Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] sched: maintain the load contribution of blocked entities Paul Turner
2012-02-16 12:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:53     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 01/14] sched: track the runnable average on a per-task entitiy basis Paul Turner
2012-02-15 23:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:43     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-16 13:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:44     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 03/14] sched: aggregate load contributed by task entities on parenting cfs_rq Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 02/14] sched: maintain per-rq runnable averages Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 05/14] sched: account for blocked load waking back up Paul Turner
2012-02-16 15:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 13:00     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-16 16:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:39     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] sched: aggregate total task_group load Paul Turner
2012-02-17  4:41   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-02-17 10:52     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 13/14] sched: make __update_entity_runnable_avg() fast Paul Turner
2012-02-06 20:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 12:49     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] sched: replace update_shares weight distribution with per-entity computation Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] sched: refactor update_shares_cpu() -> update_blocked_avgs() Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 09/14] sched: maintain runnable averages across throttled periods Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] sched: update_cfs_shares at period edge Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] sched: implement usage tracking Paul Turner
2012-02-16 13:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 10:54     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20 16:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 16:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:32     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20 16:30       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2012-02-29 10:37   ` sched per task ARM fix Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-29 10:37   ` [PATCH 1/2] sched: entity load-tracking re-work - Fix for ARM Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-28 17:45     ` Morten Rasmussen
2012-02-28 17:52       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-29 10:37   ` [PATCH 2/2] sched: load-tracking compile when cgroup undefined Pantelis Antoniou
2012-03-13 16:57   ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] sched: implement usage tracking Vincent Guittot
2012-03-14 15:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-14 15:45       ` Vincent Guittot
2012-03-14 15:47       ` Paul Turner
2012-03-15 10:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-14 15:44     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-06 20:02 ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] sched: entity load-tracking re-work Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17  9:07 ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-02-17 10:48   ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20  9:41     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-02-21  2:33       ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20 17:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 10:39 ` Morten Rasmussen
2012-03-13 16:44   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-13 17:08     ` Anca Emanuel
2012-03-13 17:23       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-14  9:03       ` Amit Kucheria
2012-03-14 19:19         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-13 17:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 10:57 ` Vincent Guittot
2012-03-14 15:59   ` Paul Turner
2012-03-15  9:59     ` Vincent Guittot
2012-04-25 13:07     ` Vincent Guittot

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