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From: Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at>
To: Richard Yao <ryao@cs.stonybrook.edu>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>,
	Bobby Powers <bobbypowers@gmail.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <guenter.roeck@ericsson.com>,
	Jidong Xiao <jidong.xiao@gmail.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Can we move device drivers into user-space?
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:17:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1330341472.17330.19.camel@thorin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABDyM6SaRKg+gVvyFCyZkTBtCbkFtXxZVrX=xe4U7Xp3XMV9XA@mail.gmail.com>

On Son, 2012-02-26 at 17:03 -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
[...]
> I think it is nice for people to be interested in kernel design and
> even if they have bad ideas, letting them discuss their ideas
> generally gives them the opportunity to learn why they are bad, which
> could generate good ideas in the process.

Part of the learning experience is (or should be IMHO) to - at least -
try it out in someway at some point and not only "discuss" it or throw
ideas around.
And that is: look for one target like a char driver or a filesystem or
what ever one likes or seems fit and try to produce a somewhat working
prototype.
The performance point is probably valid but not every driver is a high
performance issue.
As for "filesystems", there is already FUSE around BTW. And IIRC there
were similar efforts for block and/or char drivers.

And of course, the "try it out" means primarily the OP - see the other
mail.

>                                           microkernel designs are
> nice, but Linux is not the right basis for one.

Yes, that's the reason that everyone uses a microkernel today. SCNR ....
And Mach got at times so fat so that people considered something else. 

	Bernd
-- 
Bernd Petrovitsch                  Email : bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at
                     LUGA : http://www.luga.at


  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-27 11:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-23  4:56 Can we move device drivers into user-space? Jidong Xiao
2012-02-23 15:57 ` Cong Wang
2012-02-23 16:34   ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-23 20:48     ` david
2012-02-23 21:01       ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 18:21         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-02-25 15:10           ` Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu
2012-02-26  0:06             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-02-26  0:29               ` Richard Yao
2012-02-27 11:31                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-02-26  1:58               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2012-02-26  3:34                 ` arts zhao
2012-02-27 11:29                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-02-25 15:31           ` Richard Yao
2012-02-23 21:18       ` Roland Dreier
2012-02-24 15:19 ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 15:38   ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 16:38     ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 16:54       ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 17:06         ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 17:13           ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 17:21             ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 17:31               ` Greg KH
2012-02-25  2:33             ` Richard Yao
2012-02-25  4:28               ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 17:10         ` Al Viro
2012-02-25 19:23         ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-25 20:55           ` Greg KH
2012-02-25 23:43             ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-26 17:40               ` Greg KH
2012-02-26 22:46             ` Greg KH
2012-02-27 11:17       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2012-02-24 17:07     ` Guenter Roeck
2012-02-24 17:17       ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 17:47         ` Guenter Roeck
2012-02-24 18:34           ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 19:15             ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 19:26               ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 20:10                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 20:16                   ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 20:37                     ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 20:56                       ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 21:22                         ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 21:30                           ` Ted Ts'o
2012-02-24 22:14                             ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 22:20                               ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 22:49                                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 22:54                                   ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 23:14                                     ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-25 12:15                               ` Theodore Tso
2012-02-26  9:54                                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-26  4:56                               ` Bobby Powers
2012-02-26 10:47                                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-26 12:26                                   ` Richard Yao
2012-02-26 14:23                                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2012-02-26 15:29                                       ` Henrik Rydberg
     [not found]                                     ` <365b85cee33d4f1aadc31336663de21c@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-02-26 15:05                                       ` Richard Yao
2012-02-26 20:30                                         ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                                         ` <09a5cca9cffb4300843f682be529e8ca@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-02-26 21:25                                           ` Richard Yao
2012-02-26 21:35                                             ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                             ` <10de0ef9fb5d44c08669191e12343a97@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-02-26 22:03                                               ` Richard Yao
2012-02-27 11:17                                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch [this message]
2012-02-26 23:08                                   ` david
2012-02-27  0:01                                     ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-27  0:53                                       ` david
2012-02-27  9:07                                         ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-03-01  9:54           ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-02-24 15:58   ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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