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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] ftrace: Synchronize variable setting with breakpoints
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:28:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1338485338.28384.85.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1338473302.13348.336.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 10:08 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 13:06 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 21:28 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > From: Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
> > > 
> > > When the function tracer starts modifying the code via breakpoints
> > > it sets a variable (modifying_ftrace_code) to inform the breakpoint
> > > handler to call the ftrace int3 code.
> > > 
> > > But there's no synchronization between setting this code and the
> > > handler, thus it is possible for the handler to be called on another
> > > CPU before it sees the variable. This will cause a kernel crash as
> > > the int3 handler will not know what to do with it.
> > > 
> > > I originally added smp_mb()'s to force the visibility of the variable
> > > but H. Peter Anvin suggested that I just make it atomic.
> > 
> > Uhm,. maybe. atomic_{inc,dec}() implies a full memory barrier on x86,
> 
> Yeah, I believe (and H. Peter can correct me) that this is all that's
> required for x86.
> 
> > but atomic_read() never has the smp_rmb() required.
> > 
> > Now smp_rmb() is mostly a nop on x86, except for CONFIG_X86_PPRO_FENCE.
> 
> No rmb() is required, as that's supplied by the breakpoint itself.
> Basically, rmb() is used for ordering:
> 
> 	load(A);
> 	rmb();
> 	loab(B);
> 
> To keep the machine from actually doing:
> 
> 	load(B);
> 	load(A);

I know what rmb is for.. I also know you need to pair barriers. Hiding
them in atomic doesn't make the ordering any more obvious.

> But what this is:
> 
> 	<breakpoint>
> 	     |
> 	     +---------> <handler>
> 			    |
> 			load(A);
> 
> We need the load(A) to be after the breakpoint. Is it possible for the
> machine to do it before?:
> 
> 		     load(A)
> 	      |
> 	      |
> 	<breakpoint>
> 	      +----------> test(A)

I don't know, nor did you explain the implicit ordering there. Also in
such diagrams you need the other side as well.

> If another breakpoint is hit (one other than one put in by ftrace) then
> we don't care. It wont crash the system whether or not A is 1 or 0. We
> just need to make sure that a ftrace breakpoint that is hit knows that
> it was a ftrace breakpoint (calls the ftrace handler). No other
> breakpoint should be on a ftrace nop anyway.

So the ordering is like:

---

 CPU-0				CPU-1


 lock inc mod-count /* implicit (w)mb */
 write int3
				<trap-int3> /* implicit (r)mb */
				load mod-count

 sync-ipi-broadcast
 write rest-of-instruction
 sync-ipi-broadcast
 write head-of-instruction
 sync-ipi-broadcast
 lock dec mod-count /* implicit (w)mb */


Such that when we observe the int3 on CPU-1 we also must see the
increment on mod-count.

---

A simple something like the above makes it very clear what we're doing
and what we're expecting. I think a (local) trap should imply a barrier
of sorts but will have to defer to others (hpa?) to confirm. But at the
very least write it down someplace that you are assuming that.



fwiw run_sync() could do with a much bigger comment on why its sane to
enable interrupts.. That simply reeks, enabling interrupts too early can
wreck stuff properly.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-31 17:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-31  1:28 [PATCH 0/5] [GIT PULL] ftrace: Fix bug with function tracing and lockdep Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31  1:28 ` [PATCH 1/5] ftrace: Synchronize variable setting with breakpoints Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 11:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 14:08     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 15:16       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2012-05-31 15:29         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 17:28       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2012-05-31 18:42         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 17:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 17:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 17:53         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 18:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 18:50             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 19:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 19:55                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-05-31 20:10                   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 20:26                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 20:37                       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 20:40                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 20:40                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 20:49                           ` Steven Rostedt
2012-06-01  4:53                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2012-06-01 11:37                               ` Steven Rostedt
2012-06-01 12:52                                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2012-06-01  0:45                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-05-31  1:28 ` [PATCH 2/5] ftrace: Use breakpoint method to update ftrace caller Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 11:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 14:19     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31  1:28 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86: Reset the debug_stack update counter Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 19:19   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-05-31 19:26     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31  1:28 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86: Allow nesting of the debug stack IDT setting Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 18:44   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-05-31 18:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-05-31 19:25     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 19:27       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-05-31 20:00         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 20:17           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-05-31 20:35             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 20:39               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-05-31 20:56                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 21:09                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-05-31 21:37                     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 21:38                       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-06-01  2:30       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31  1:28 ` [PATCH 5/5] ftrace/x86: Do not change stacks in DEBUG when calling lockdep Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31  2:13 ` [PATCH 0/5] (for 3.5)[GIT PULL] ftrace: Fix bug with function tracing and lockdep Steven Rostedt

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