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From: Stefani Seibold <stefani@seibold.net>
To: Yuanhan Liu <yuanhan.liu@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] kfifo: round up the fifo size power of 2
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:37:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1352378235.15351.9.camel@wall-e> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121108122409.GN18293@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>

Am Donnerstag, den 08.11.2012, 20:24 +0800 schrieb Yuanhan Liu:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:52:10PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:30:33 +0100 Stefani Seibold <stefani@seibold.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Yes, and I guess the same to give them a 64-element one.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If there's absolutely no prospect that the kfifo code will ever support
> > > > > 100-byte fifos then I guess we should rework the API so that the caller
> > > > > has to pass in log2 of the size, not the size itself.  That way there
> > > > > will be no surprises and no mistakes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That being said, the power-of-2 limitation isn't at all intrinsic to a
> > > > > fifo, so we shouldn't do this.  Ideally, we'd change the kfifo
> > > > > implementation so it does what the caller asked it to do!
> > > > 
> > > > I'm fine with removing the power-of-2 limitation. Stefani, what's your
> > > > comment on that?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > You can't remove the power-of-2-limitation, since this would result in a
> > > performance decrease (bit wise and vs. modulo operation).
> > 
> > Probably an insignificant change in performance.
> > 
> > It could be made much smaller by just never doing the modulus operation
> > - instead do
> > 
> > 	if (++index == max)
> > 		index = 0;
> > 
> > this does introduce one problem: it's no longer possible to distinguish
> > the "full" and "empty" states by comparing the head and tail indices. 
> > But that is soluble.
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> Yes, it is soluble. How about the following solution?
> 
> Add 2 more fields(in_off and out_off) in __kfifo structure, so that in
> and out will keep increasing each time, while in_off and out_off will be
> wrapped to head if goes to the end of fifo buffer.
> 
> So, we can use in and out for counting unused space, and distinguish the
> "full" and "empty" state, and also, of course no need for locking.
> 
> Stefani, sorry for quite late reply. I checked all the code used kfifo_alloc
> and kfifo_init. Firstly, there are a lot of users ;-)
> 
> And secondly, I did find some examples used kfifo as it supports
> none-power-of-2 kfifo. Say, the one at drivers/hid/hid-logitech-dj.c:
>        if (kfifo_alloc(&djrcv_dev->notif_fifo,
>                        DJ_MAX_NUMBER_NOTIFICATIONS * sizeof(struct dj_report),
>                        GFP_KERNEL)) {
> 
> which means it wants to allocate a kfifo buffer which can store
> DJ_MAX_NUMBER_NOTIFICATIONS(8 here) dj_report(each 15 bytes) at once.
> 
> And DJ_MAX_NUMBER_NOTIFICATIONS * sizeof(struct dj_report) = 8 * 15.
> Then current code would allocate a size of rounddown_power_of_2(120) =
> 64 bytes, which can hold 4 dj_report only once, which is a half of expected.
> 

This will go away with a log API.

> There are few more examples like this.
> 
> And, kfifo_init used a pre-allocated buffer, it would be a little strange
> to ask user to pre-allocate a power of 2 size aligned buffer.
> 
> So, I guess it's would be good to support none-power-of-2 kfifo?
> 
> I know you care the performance a lot. Well, as Andrew said, it may
> introduce a little insignificant drop(no modulus, few more add/dec).
> Thus, do you have some benchmarks for that? I can have a test to check
> if it is a insignificant change on performance or not :)
> 

Dirty, Ugly, Hacky and this will produce a lot of overhead, especially
for kfifo_put and kfifo_get which are inlined code.

In the kernel world it was always a regular use case to use power-of-2
restricted API's, f.e. the slab cache.

I see no benefit for a none-power-of-2 kfifo, only drawbacks.



  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-08 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-26  7:56 [PATCH 1/2] kfifo: round up the fifo size power of 2 Yuanhan Liu
2012-10-26  7:56 ` [PATCH 2/2] kfifo: handle the case that alloc size is equal to 0 Yuanhan Liu
2012-10-26  9:30 ` [PATCH 1/2] kfifo: round up the fifo size power of 2 Stefani Seibold
2012-10-26 12:33   ` Yuanhan Liu
2012-10-26 13:39     ` Stefani Seibold
2012-10-26 14:06       ` Yuanhan Liu
2012-10-26 14:23       ` Alan Cox
2012-10-29 20:59 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-31  5:59   ` Yuanhan Liu
2012-10-31  6:30     ` Stefani Seibold
2012-10-31  6:49       ` Yuanhan Liu
2012-10-31 20:31         ` Stefani Seibold
2012-10-31  6:52       ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-31  8:11         ` Janne Kulmala
2012-10-31 11:16           ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-31 20:31         ` Stefani Seibold
2012-11-08 12:24         ` Yuanhan Liu
2012-11-08 12:37           ` Stefani Seibold [this message]
2012-11-09  2:32             ` Yuanhan Liu
2012-11-14  7:03               ` Stefani Seibold
2012-11-15  8:18                 ` Yuanhan Liu

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