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From: Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	aswin@hp.com, scott.norton@hp.com, chegu_vinod@hp.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] sched: Limit idle_balance() when it is being used too frequently
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:48:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1374086931.1816.2.camel@j-VirtualBox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130717180156.GS23818@dyad.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 20:01 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:51:51PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > On 07/17/2013 12:18 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> > >So the way I see things is that the only way newidle balance can slow down
> > >things is if it runs when we could have ran something useful.
> > 
> > Due to contention on the runqueue locks of other CPUs,
> > newidle also has the potential to keep _others_ from
> > running something useful.
> 
> Right, although that should only happen when we do have an imbalance and want
> to go move something. Which in Jason's case is 'rare'. But yes, I suppose
> there's other scenarios where this is far more likely.
> 
> > Could we prevent that downside by measuring both the
> > time spent idle, and the time spent in idle balancing,
> > and making sure the idle balancing time never exceeds
> > more than N% of the idle time?
> 
> Sure:
> 
> idle_balance(u64 idle_duration)
> {
>   u64 cost = 0;
> 
>   for_each_domain(sd) {
>     if (cost + sd->cost > idle_duration/N)
>       break;
> 
>     ...
> 
>     sd->cost = (sd->cost + this_cost) / 2;
>     cost += this_cost;
>   }
> }
> 
> I would've initially suggested using something like N=2 since we're dealing
> with averages and half should ensure we don't run over except for the worst
> peaks. But we could easily use a bigger N.

Okay, I'll try this out. Thank you for your suggestions.

Jason.


  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-17 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-16 19:21 [RFC] sched: Limit idle_balance() when it is being used too frequently Jason Low
2013-07-16 19:27 ` Rik van Riel
2013-07-16 20:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-16 22:48   ` Jason Low
2013-07-17  7:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-17  7:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-17  8:11       ` Jason Low
2013-07-17  9:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-17 15:59           ` Jason Low
2013-07-17 16:18             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-17 17:51               ` Rik van Riel
2013-07-17 18:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-17 18:48                   ` Jason Low [this message]
2013-07-18  4:02                   ` Jason Low
2013-07-18  9:32                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-18 11:59                       ` Rik van Riel
2013-07-18 12:15                         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-07-18 12:35                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-18 13:06                             ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-07-18 19:06                         ` Jason Low
2013-07-19 18:37                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-19 19:15                             ` Jason Low
2013-07-18 12:12                     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-07-18 19:03                       ` Jason Low

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