From: Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett@nebula.com>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
"keescook@chromium.org" <keescook@chromium.org>,
"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 08/11] kexec: Disable at runtime if the kernel enforces module loading restrictions
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 06:44:08 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1378622648.2300.4.camel@x230> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130908064027.GA3587@kroah.com>
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On Sat, 2013-09-07 at 23:40 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 07:50:15PM -0400, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > kexec permits the loading and execution of arbitrary code in ring 0, which
> > is something that module signing enforcement is meant to prevent. It makes
> > sense to disable kexec in this situation.
>
> I see no match between kexec and signed kernel modules.
sig_enforce is there to prevent anyone (including root) from installing
new kernel code in the running kernel. Allowing kexec to run untrusted
code allows root to install new kernel code in the running kernel. At
the most trivial level, grab the address of sig_enforce from kallsyms,
jump to a kernel that doesn't enforce STRICT_DEVMEM, modify sig_enforce,
jump back to the old kernel.
> In fact, I personally _want_ signed kernel modules, and still the option
> to run kexec. kexec is to run a whole new kernel/OS, not a tiny kernel
> module.
No, kexec is to run anything. It's expressly not limited to launching
new kernels. It's easiest to demonstrate an attack using a Linux kernel,
but you could launch a toy payload that did nothing other than modify
one byte and then returned to the launch kernel.
> If you apply this, you break everyone who is currently relying on kexec
> (i.e. kdump, bootloaders, etc.), from using signed kernel modules, which
> personally, seems like a very bad idea.
Enforcing signed modules provides you with no additional security if you
have kexec enabled. It's better to make that obvious.
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-03 23:50 Matthew Garrett
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 01/11] Add secure_modules() call Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:45 ` James Morris
2013-09-05 2:14 ` joeyli
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 02/11] PCI: Lock down BAR access when module security is enabled Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:45 ` James Morris
2013-09-04 16:57 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-04 17:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 18:58 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-04 19:01 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 19:31 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 03/11] x86: Lock down IO port " Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:45 ` James Morris
2013-09-05 3:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-05 3:58 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-05 15:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 04/11] ACPI: Limit access to custom_method Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:46 ` James Morris
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 05/11] asus-wmi: Restrict debugfs interface when module loading is restricted Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:46 ` James Morris
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 06/11] Restrict /dev/mem and /dev/kmem " Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:47 ` James Morris
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 07/11] acpi: Ignore acpi_rsdp kernel parameter " Matthew Garrett
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 08/11] kexec: Disable at runtime if the kernel enforces module loading restrictions Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:48 ` James Morris
2013-09-04 20:09 ` jerry.hoemann
2013-09-04 20:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 20:14 ` Josh Boyer
2013-09-08 6:40 ` Greg KH
2013-09-08 6:44 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2013-09-08 7:24 ` Greg KH
2013-09-08 14:40 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 15:51 ` Kees Cook
2013-09-08 16:18 ` Greg KH
2013-09-08 16:24 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 16:39 ` Greg KH
2013-09-08 16:59 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 17:22 ` Greg KH
2013-09-08 17:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 17:11 ` James Bottomley
2013-09-08 17:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 17:22 ` James Bottomley
2013-09-08 17:27 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 17:32 ` James Bottomley
2013-09-08 17:38 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 09/11] uswsusp: Disable when module loading is restricted Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:48 ` James Morris
2013-09-05 3:20 ` joeyli
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 10/11] x86: Restrict MSR access " Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 0:49 ` James Morris
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 11/11] Add option to automatically enforce module signatures when in Secure Boot mode Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 1:42 ` James Morris
2013-09-04 1:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-05 3:13 ` joeyli
2013-09-05 8:24 ` joeyli
2013-09-05 10:16 ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-05 12:54 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 15:53 ` Kees Cook
2013-09-04 16:05 ` Re: Josh Boyer
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