From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Roman Zippel <zippel@fh-brandenburg.de>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederman@uswest.net>,
Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Generic deferred file writing
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:27:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <138080000.978460026@tiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012301816410.1743-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
On Saturday, December 30, 2000 06:28:39 PM -0800 Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@transmeta.com> wrote:
> There are only two real advantages to deferred writing:
>
> - not having to do get_block() at all for temp-files, as we never have to
> do the allocation if we end up removing the file.
>
> NOTE NOTE NOTE! The overhead for trying to get ENOSPC and quota errors
> right is quite possibly big enough that this advantage is possibly very
> questionable. It's very possible that people could speed things up
> using this approach, but I also suspect that it is equally (if not
> more) possible to speed things up by just making sure that the
> low-level FS has a fast get_block().
>
> - Using "global" access patterns to do a better job of "get_block()", ie
> taking advantage of issues with journalling etc and deferring the write
> in order to get a bigger journal.
>
> The second point is completely different, and THIS is where I think there
> are potentially real advantages.
Absolutely. I wrote reiserfs delayed allocation code back in october, and
kind of left it alone until the VM had the callbacks needed to make it
clean (err, less ugly). I included bunches of optimizations to
reiserfs_get_block, and the most effective one was a cache of block
pointers in the inode to avoid consecutive tree searches. This was a
locking and an i/o win, for both reading and writing (reiserfs needs this
more than ext2 does)
For growing the file, delayed allocation was a huge bonus. For all the
reasons you've already discussed, and because writing a file went from this:
(reiserfs_get_block is starting/stopping the transaction)
while(bytes_to_write)
start_transaction
allocate block
insert block pointer
end_transaction
end
To this:
while(bytes_to_write)
update counters
end
(delayed alloc routine is starting/stopping trans)
start_transaction
allocate X blocks
insert X block pointers
update counters
end_transaction
A big fat transaction is a happy one ;-)
Anyway, I'll return to the optimizations once things have settled down a
bit, and might give the generic delayed allocation (instead of reiserfs
only code) a try.
-chris
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-12-30 0:25 test13-pre6 Linus Torvalds
2000-12-30 0:49 ` test13-pre6 Alexander Viro
2000-12-30 1:03 ` test13-pre6 Linus Torvalds
2000-12-30 18:09 ` test13-pre6 Alexander Viro
2000-12-30 2:25 ` test13-pre6 Daniel Phillips
2000-12-30 3:16 ` test13-pre6 Linus Torvalds
2000-12-30 18:58 ` [RFC] Generic deferred file writing Daniel Phillips
2000-12-30 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-30 20:06 ` Alexander Viro
2000-12-30 20:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-30 21:10 ` Andreas Dilger
2000-12-30 21:46 ` Alexander Viro
2000-12-30 23:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2000-12-30 22:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-12-30 22:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-31 0:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-12-31 1:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-31 1:13 ` Chris Wedgwood
2000-12-31 1:50 ` Alexander Viro
2000-12-31 2:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-31 2:09 ` Roman Zippel
2000-12-31 2:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-31 12:58 ` Roman Zippel
2001-04-21 20:06 ` Races in affs_unlink(), affs_rmdir() and affs_rename() Alexander Viro
2001-04-21 22:16 ` Roman Zippel
2001-04-22 5:53 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-22 12:57 ` Roman Zippel
2001-04-22 13:15 ` Alexander Viro
2000-12-31 14:38 ` [RFC] Generic deferred file writing Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-31 16:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-31 16:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-31 16:51 ` Alexander Viro
2000-12-31 17:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-31 18:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2000-12-31 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-31 19:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2000-12-31 19:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-31 21:03 ` Roman Zippel
2000-12-31 21:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-02 18:27 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2000-12-30 3:08 ` test13-pre6 (Fork Bug with Athlons? Temporary Fix) Byron Stanoszek
2000-12-30 3:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-30 5:55 ` Andi Kleen
2000-12-30 5:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-30 8:13 ` Graham Murray
2000-12-30 4:21 ` test13-pre6 Dan Aloni
2001-01-04 20:23 ` test13-pre6 Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-04 22:15 ` test13-pre6 stewart
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012311726230.1671-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-01-01 2:50 ` [RFC] Generic deferred file writing Roman Zippel
2001-01-01 3:47 ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-01 12:44 ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-01 15:16 ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-02 3:00 ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-02 5:00 ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-02 16:53 ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-01 20:00 ` Daniel Phillips
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