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From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Zach Brown <zab@redhat.com>,
	Anna Schumaker <schumaker.anna@gmail.com>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-Fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Bryan Schumaker <bjschuma@netapp.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <mkp@mkp.net>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Mark Fasheh <mfasheh@suse.com>, Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>,
	Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 03:42:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1381048955.1974.171@driftwood> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegsUchb0eX+Hi3rN5Ypje3Y-dgo=pxgM1Y3BQbHVp=1hSw@mail.gmail.com> (from miklos@szeredi.hu on Thu Sep 26 13:06:41 2013)

On 09/26/2013 01:06:41 PM, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:34 PM, J. Bruce Fields  
> <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:58:05AM +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Zach Brown <zab@redhat.com>  
> wrote:
> >> >> A client-side copy will be slower, but I guess it does have the
> >> >> advantage that the application can track progress to some  
> degree, and
> >> >> abort it fairly quickly without leaving the file in a totally  
> undefined
> >> >> state--and both might be useful if the copy's not a simple  
> constant-time
> >> >> operation.
> >> >
> >> > I suppose, but can't the app achieve a nice middle ground by  
> copying the
> >> > file in smaller syscalls?  Avoid bulk data motion back to the  
> client,
> >> > but still get notification every, I dunno, few hundred meg?
> >>
> >> Yes.  And if "cp"  could just be switched from a read+write syscall
> >> pair to a single splice syscall using the same buffer size.
> >
> > Will the various magic fs-specific copy operations become  
> inefficient
> > when the range copied is too small?
> 
> We could treat spice-copy operations just like write operations (can
> be buffered, coalesced, synced).
> 
> But I'm not sure it's worth the effort; 99% of the use of this
> interface will be copying whole files.

My "patch" implementation (in busybox and toybox) hits a point where it  
wants to copy the rest of the file, once there are no more hunks to  
apply. This is not copying a whole file. A similar thing happens with  
tail when you use the +N syntax to skip start instead of end lines. I  
can see sed doing a similar thing when told to operate on line ranges...

Note sure your 99% holds up here.

Rob

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-06  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-11 17:06 [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading Zach Brown
2013-09-11 17:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] splice: add DIRECT flag for splicing between files Zach Brown
2013-09-11 17:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] splice: add f_op->splice_direct Zach Brown
2013-09-11 17:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] btrfs: implement .splice_direct extent copying Zach Brown
2013-09-11 21:17 ` [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading Eric Wong
2013-09-16 19:44   ` Rob Landley
2013-09-19 12:59   ` Jeff Layton
2013-09-20  9:49 ` Szeredi Miklos
2013-09-25 18:38   ` Zach Brown
2013-09-25 19:02     ` Anna Schumaker
2013-09-25 19:06       ` Zach Brown
2013-09-25 19:55         ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-25 21:07           ` Zach Brown
2013-09-26  8:58             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-26 15:34               ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-26 16:46                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-26 18:06                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-26 19:06                   ` Zach Brown
2013-09-26 19:53                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-26 21:23                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-27  4:47                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-27 14:00                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-27 14:39                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-06  8:42                   ` Rob Landley [this message]
2013-09-26 18:55               ` Zach Brown
2013-09-26 21:26                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-27 20:05                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-27 20:50                     ` Zach Brown
2013-09-28  5:49                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-28 15:20                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-28 21:20                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 12:20                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:34                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-30 14:48                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 14:51                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:52                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:24                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:28                                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:33                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 15:38                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:41                                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:46                                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:49                                               ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:57                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 16:31                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 17:17                                                     ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 17:44                                                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 17:48                                                         ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 18:02                                                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 18:49                                                             ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 19:34                                                               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 20:00                                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 20:08                                                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 20:27                                                                     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 20:10                                                                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-01 18:42                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-01 19:58                                       ` Zach Brown
2013-10-02 12:58                                         ` Jan Kara
2013-10-02 13:31                                           ` David Lang
2013-12-18 12:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-12-18 17:10   ` Zach Brown
2013-12-18 17:26     ` Anna Schumaker

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