From: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
To: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Android Kernel Team <kernel-team@android.com>,
Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
Jesse Barker <jesse.barker@arm.com>,
Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>,
Rebecca Schultz Zavin <rebecca@android.com>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Subject: [PATCH 003/115] ion: Switch map/unmap dma api to sg_tables
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:23:37 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1386973529-4884-4-git-send-email-john.stultz@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1386973529-4884-1-git-send-email-john.stultz@linaro.org>
From: Rebecca Schultz Zavin <rebecca@android.com>
Switch these api's from scatterlists to sg_tables
Signed-off-by: Rebecca Schultz Zavin <rebecca@android.com>
[jstultz: modified patch to apply to staging directory]
Signed-off-by: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
---
drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.c | 16 +++----
drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.h | 6 +--
drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_priv.h | 18 ++------
drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_system_heap.c | 66 ++++++++++++++++-----------
4 files changed, 53 insertions(+), 53 deletions(-)
diff --git a/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.c b/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.c
index d93fb33..bca8d9e 100644
--- a/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.c
+++ b/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.c
@@ -445,11 +445,11 @@ void *ion_map_kernel(struct ion_client *client, struct ion_handle *handle)
return vaddr;
}
-struct scatterlist *ion_map_dma(struct ion_client *client,
+struct sg_table *ion_map_dma(struct ion_client *client,
struct ion_handle *handle)
{
struct ion_buffer *buffer;
- struct scatterlist *sglist;
+ struct sg_table *table;
mutex_lock(&client->lock);
if (!ion_handle_validate(client, handle)) {
@@ -469,16 +469,16 @@ struct scatterlist *ion_map_dma(struct ion_client *client,
return ERR_PTR(-ENODEV);
}
if (_ion_map(&buffer->dmap_cnt, &handle->dmap_cnt)) {
- sglist = buffer->heap->ops->map_dma(buffer->heap, buffer);
- if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(sglist))
+ table = buffer->heap->ops->map_dma(buffer->heap, buffer);
+ if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(table))
_ion_unmap(&buffer->dmap_cnt, &handle->dmap_cnt);
- buffer->sglist = sglist;
+ buffer->sg_table = table;
} else {
- sglist = buffer->sglist;
+ table = buffer->sg_table;
}
mutex_unlock(&buffer->lock);
mutex_unlock(&client->lock);
- return sglist;
+ return table;
}
void ion_unmap_kernel(struct ion_client *client, struct ion_handle *handle)
@@ -505,7 +505,7 @@ void ion_unmap_dma(struct ion_client *client, struct ion_handle *handle)
mutex_lock(&buffer->lock);
if (_ion_unmap(&buffer->dmap_cnt, &handle->dmap_cnt)) {
buffer->heap->ops->unmap_dma(buffer->heap, buffer);
- buffer->sglist = NULL;
+ buffer->sg_table = NULL;
}
mutex_unlock(&buffer->lock);
mutex_unlock(&client->lock);
diff --git a/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.h b/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.h
index 60b2543..87f6a45 100644
--- a/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.h
+++ b/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion.h
@@ -169,10 +169,10 @@ void ion_unmap_kernel(struct ion_client *client, struct ion_handle *handle);
* @client: the client
* @handle: handle to map
*
- * Return an sglist describing the given handle
+ * Return an sg_table describing the given handle
*/
-struct scatterlist *ion_map_dma(struct ion_client *client,
- struct ion_handle *handle);
+struct sg_table *ion_map_dma(struct ion_client *client,
+ struct ion_handle *handle);
/**
* ion_unmap_dma() - destroy a dma mapping for a handle
diff --git a/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_priv.h b/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_priv.h
index cbd9f03..7a77f6f 100644
--- a/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_priv.h
+++ b/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_priv.h
@@ -24,18 +24,6 @@
#include "ion.h"
-struct ion_mapping;
-
-struct ion_dma_mapping {
- struct kref ref;
- struct scatterlist *sglist;
-};
-
-struct ion_kernel_mapping {
- struct kref ref;
- void *vaddr;
-};
-
struct ion_buffer *ion_handle_buffer(struct ion_handle *handle);
/**
@@ -54,7 +42,7 @@ struct ion_buffer *ion_handle_buffer(struct ion_handle *handle);
* @kmap_cnt: number of times the buffer is mapped to the kernel
* @vaddr: the kenrel mapping if kmap_cnt is not zero
* @dmap_cnt: number of times the buffer is mapped for dma
- * @sglist: the scatterlist for the buffer is dmap_cnt is not zero
+ * @sg_table: the sg table for the buffer if dmap_cnt is not zero
*/
struct ion_buffer {
struct kref ref;
@@ -71,7 +59,7 @@ struct ion_buffer {
int kmap_cnt;
void *vaddr;
int dmap_cnt;
- struct scatterlist *sglist;
+ struct sg_table *sg_table;
};
/**
@@ -93,7 +81,7 @@ struct ion_heap_ops {
void (*free) (struct ion_buffer *buffer);
int (*phys) (struct ion_heap *heap, struct ion_buffer *buffer,
ion_phys_addr_t *addr, size_t *len);
- struct scatterlist *(*map_dma) (struct ion_heap *heap,
+ struct sg_table *(*map_dma) (struct ion_heap *heap,
struct ion_buffer *buffer);
void (*unmap_dma) (struct ion_heap *heap, struct ion_buffer *buffer);
void * (*map_kernel) (struct ion_heap *heap, struct ion_buffer *buffer);
diff --git a/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_system_heap.c b/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_system_heap.c
index 3daa1ee..d7e0fa0 100644
--- a/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_system_heap.c
+++ b/drivers/staging/android/ion/ion_system_heap.c
@@ -38,40 +38,46 @@ void ion_system_heap_free(struct ion_buffer *buffer)
vfree(buffer->priv_virt);
}
-struct scatterlist *ion_system_heap_map_dma(struct ion_heap *heap,
- struct ion_buffer *buffer)
+struct sg_table *ion_system_heap_map_dma(struct ion_heap *heap,
+ struct ion_buffer *buffer)
{
- struct scatterlist *sglist;
- struct page *page;
+ struct sg_table *table;
+ struct scatterlist *sg;
int i;
int npages = PAGE_ALIGN(buffer->size) / PAGE_SIZE;
void *vaddr = buffer->priv_virt;
+ int ret;
- sglist = vmalloc(npages * sizeof(struct scatterlist));
- if (!sglist)
+ table = kzalloc(sizeof(struct sg_table), GFP_KERNEL);
+ if (!table)
return ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM);
- memset(sglist, 0, npages * sizeof(struct scatterlist));
- sg_init_table(sglist, npages);
- for (i = 0; i < npages; i++) {
+ ret = sg_alloc_table(table, npages, GFP_KERNEL);
+ if (ret)
+ goto err0;
+ for_each_sg(table->sgl, sg, table->nents, i) {
+ struct page *page;
page = vmalloc_to_page(vaddr);
- if (!page)
- goto end;
- sg_set_page(&sglist[i], page, PAGE_SIZE, 0);
+ if (!page) {
+ ret = -ENOMEM;
+ goto err1;
+ }
+ sg_set_page(sg, page, PAGE_SIZE, 0);
vaddr += PAGE_SIZE;
}
- /* XXX do cache maintenance for dma? */
- return sglist;
-end:
- vfree(sglist);
- return NULL;
+ return table;
+err1:
+ sg_free_table(table);
+err0:
+ kfree(table);
+ return ERR_PTR(ret);
}
void ion_system_heap_unmap_dma(struct ion_heap *heap,
struct ion_buffer *buffer)
{
- /* XXX undo cache maintenance for dma? */
- if (buffer->sglist)
- vfree(buffer->sglist);
+ if (buffer->sg_table)
+ sg_free_table(buffer->sg_table);
+ kfree(buffer->sg_table);
}
void *ion_system_heap_map_kernel(struct ion_heap *heap,
@@ -144,17 +150,23 @@ static int ion_system_contig_heap_phys(struct ion_heap *heap,
return 0;
}
-struct scatterlist *ion_system_contig_heap_map_dma(struct ion_heap *heap,
+struct sg_table *ion_system_contig_heap_map_dma(struct ion_heap *heap,
struct ion_buffer *buffer)
{
- struct scatterlist *sglist;
+ struct sg_table *table;
+ int ret;
- sglist = vmalloc(sizeof(struct scatterlist));
- if (!sglist)
+ table = kzalloc(sizeof(struct sg_table), GFP_KERNEL);
+ if (!table)
return ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM);
- sg_init_table(sglist, 1);
- sg_set_page(sglist, virt_to_page(buffer->priv_virt), buffer->size, 0);
- return sglist;
+ ret = sg_alloc_table(table, 1, GFP_KERNEL);
+ if (ret) {
+ kfree(table);
+ return ERR_PTR(ret);
+ }
+ sg_set_page(table->sgl, virt_to_page(buffer->priv_virt), buffer->size,
+ 0);
+ return table;
}
int ion_system_contig_heap_map_user(struct ion_heap *heap,
--
1.8.3.2
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2013-12-13 22:23 [PATCH 000/115] Android ION for drivers/staging John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 001/115] gpu: ion: Add ION Memory Manager John Stultz
2013-12-13 23:50 ` Greg KH
2013-12-13 23:54 ` John Stultz
2013-12-14 0:53 ` John Stultz
2013-12-14 1:18 ` John Stultz
2013-12-14 17:06 ` Greg KH
2013-12-14 19:43 ` John Stultz
2013-12-14 19:53 ` John Stultz
2013-12-14 20:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] ion: Don't allow building ION as a module John Stultz
2013-12-14 20:06 ` [PATCH 2/2] ion: Reenable the build John Stultz
2013-12-14 21:48 ` [PATCH 1/2] ion: Don't allow building ION as a module Greg KH
2013-12-14 22:19 ` John Stultz
2013-12-14 23:15 ` Colin Cross
2013-12-14 16:52 ` [PATCH 001/115] gpu: ion: Add ION Memory Manager Greg KH
2013-12-14 21:10 ` Colin Cross
2013-12-14 21:44 ` Greg KH
2013-12-14 22:21 ` Colin Cross
2013-12-14 23:14 ` Greg KH
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 002/115] gpu: ion: ion_carveout_heap: fix for 3.4 John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` John Stultz [this message]
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 004/115] ion: Add reserve function to ion John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 005/115] gpu: ion: several bugfixes and enhancements of ION John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 006/115] ion: Switch ion to use dma-buf John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 007/115] gpu: ion: Use alloc_pages instead of vmalloc from the system heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 008/115] gpu: ion: support begin/end and kmap/kunmap dma_buf ops John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 009/115] gpu: ion: Allocate the sg_table at creation time rather than dynamically John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 010/115] gpu: ion: Get an sg_table from an ion handle John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 011/115] gpu: ion: fill in buffer->{dev,size} before mapping new buffers John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 012/115] gpu: ion: Set the dma_address of the sg list at alloc time John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 013/115] gpu: ion: ion_system_heap: Change allocations to GFP_HIGHUSER John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 014/115] gpu: ion: Loop on the handle count when destroying John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 015/115] gpu: ion: Map only the vma size given John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 016/115] gpu: ion: Add cache maintenance to ion John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 017/115] gpu: ion: Modify the system heap to try to allocate large/huge pages John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 018/115] gpu: ion: Add explicit sync ioctl John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 019/115] gpu: ion: do not ask for compound pages in system heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 020/115] gpu: ion: Add missing argument to WARN call John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 021/115] gpu: ion: Add EXPORT_SYMBOL to functions John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 022/115] gpu: ion: IOCTL return success when error occurs John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 023/115] gpu: ion: Don't call ion_buffer_put on error path John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 024/115] gpu: ion: Only map as much of the vma as the user requested John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:23 ` [PATCH 025/115] gpu: ion: Switch to using kmalloc rather than kmap during allocation John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 026/115] gpu: ion: fix page offset in dma_buf_kmap() John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 027/115] gpu: ion: Fix race between ion_import and ion_free John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 028/115] gpu: ion: Fix bug in ion_free John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 029/115] gpu: ion: Add debug information for orphaned handles John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 030/115] gpu: ion: Fix memory leak of dirty bits John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 031/115] gpu: ion: Add support for cached mappings that don't fault John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 032/115] gpu: ion: optimize system heap for non fault buffers John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 033/115] gpu: ion: Stop trying to allocate from an order on first failure John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 034/115] gpu: ion: ion_system_heap: Fix bug preventing compilation John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 035/115] gpu: ion: use vmalloc to allocate page array to map kernel John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 036/115] gpu: ion: Add ion_page_pool John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 037/115] gpu: ion: Use the ion_page_pool from the system heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 038/115] gpu: ion: Modify gfp flags in ion_system_heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 039/115] gpu: ion: Fix several issues with page pool John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 040/115] gpu: ion: Fix lockdep issue in ion_page_pool John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 041/115] gpu: ion: Switch to using a single shrink function John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 042/115] gpu: ion: Refactor locking John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 043/115] gpu: ion: Clear GFP_WAIT flag on high order allocations John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 044/115] gpu: ion: Don't flush allocatoins that come from the page pools John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 045/115] gpu: ion: Fix bug in ion_system_heap map_user John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 046/115] gpu: ion: Fix bug in zeroing pages in system heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 047/115] gpu: ion: fix carveout ops John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 048/115] gpu: ion: fix compilation warning John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 049/115] gpu: ion: Modify reserve function for carveouts with no start address John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 050/115] gpu: ion: Fix bug where MAP ioctl was no longer supported John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 051/115] gpu: ion: Switch heap rbtree to a prio list John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 052/115] gpu: ion: Refactor common mapping functions out of system heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 053/115] gpu: ion: Add chunk heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 054/115] gpu: ion: Clarify variable names and comments around heap ids v types John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 055/115] gpu: ion: Export ion_client_create John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 056/115] gpu: ion: Remove heapmask from client John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 057/115] gpu: ion: Modify zeroing code so it only allocates address space once John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 058/115] gpu: ion: Refactor the code to zero buffers John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 059/115] gpu: ion: Only flush buffers in the chunk heap if they were used cached John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 060/115] gpu: ion: Add support for sharing buffers with dma buf kernel handles John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 061/115] gpu: ion: Make ion_free asynchronous John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 062/115] gpu: ion: fix kfree/list_del order John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 063/115] gpu: ion: ion_chunk_heap: Zero chunk heap memory at creation time John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 064/115] gpu: ion: Fix bug in ion shrinker John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 065/115] gpu: ion: Also shrink memory cached in the deferred free list John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 066/115] gpu: ion: __dma_page_cpu_to_dev -> arm_dma_ops.sync_single_for_device hack John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 067/115] gpu: ion: Remove __GFP_NO_KSWAPD John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 068/115] ion: Add Kconfig dependency to ARM John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 069/115] gpu: ion: fix ion_platform_data definition John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 070/115] gpu: ion: add CMA heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 071/115] gpu: ion: Fix performance issue in faulting code John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 072/115] ion: chunk_heap: fix leak in allocated counter John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 073/115] ion: add free list size to heap debug files John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 074/115] ion: convert map_kernel to return ERR_PTR John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 075/115] ion: remove IS_ERR_OR_NULL John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 076/115] ion: replace userspace handle cookies with idr John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 077/115] ion: index client->handles rbtree by buffer John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 078/115] ion: don't use id 0 for handle cookie John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 079/115] ion: add new ion_user_handle_t type for the user-space token John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 080/115] ion: change ion_user_handle_t definition to int John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 081/115] ion: add compat_ioctl John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 082/115] gpu: ion: delete ion_system_mapper.c John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 083/115] ion: move userspace api into uapi/ion.h John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 084/115] ion: Fix compat support to use proper compat ioctl numbers John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:24 ` [PATCH 085/115] ion: hold reference to handle after ion_uhandle_get John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:25 ` [PATCH 086/115] ion: fix crash when alloc len is -1 John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:25 ` [PATCH 087/115] ion: fix dma APIs John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:25 ` [PATCH 088/115] ion: convert sg_dma_len(sg) to sg->length John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:25 ` [PATCH 089/115] ion: check invalid values in ion_system_heap John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:25 ` [PATCH 090/115] ion: add test device for unit tests to interact with dma_bufs John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:25 ` [PATCH 091/115] ion: update idr to avoid deprecated apis John Stultz
2013-12-13 22:25 ` [PATCH 092/115] ion: don't use __arm_ioremap to map pages John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 093/115] ion: don't use phys_to_page or __phys_to_pfn John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 094/115] ion: fix printk warnings John Stultz
2013-12-14 4:27 ` Joe Perches
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 095/115] gpu: ion: remove unnecessary function from system heap John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 096/115] ion: clean up ioctls John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 097/115] gpu: ion: fix use-after-free in ion_heap_freelist_drain John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 098/115] ion: Fix two small issues in system_heap allocation John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 099/115] ion: drop dependency on ARM John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 100/115] ion: add alignment check to carveout heap John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 101/115] ion: optimize ion_heap_buffer_zero John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 102/115] ion: free low memory from page pools first John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 103/115] ion: check return value from remap_pfn_range John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 104/115] ion: use vm_insert_pfn for faulted pages John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 105/115] ion: remove ion_heap_alloc_pages John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 106/115] ion: allow cached mappings of chunk and system heap buffers John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 107/115] ion: use alloc_pages in system contig heap John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 108/115] ion: fix sparse warnings John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 109/115] ion: carveout heap: zero buffers on free, fix memory leak John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 110/115] ion: add helper to zero contiguous region of pages John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 111/115] ion: add alignment check to chunk heap John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 112/115] ion: fix bugs in cma heap John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 113/115] ion: Cleanup whitespace issues and other checkpatch problems John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 114/115] ion: Improve ION config description John Stultz
2013-12-14 3:26 ` [PATCH 115/115] ion: Update system heap shrinker to use the new count/scan interface John Stultz
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