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From: Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	hideaki.kimura@hp.com, Aswin Chandramouleeswaran <aswin@hp.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>,
	jason.low2@hp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] sched, timer: Remove usages of ACCESS_ONCE in the scheduler
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:46:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1429152365.7039.167.camel@j-VirtualBox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150415074601.GC13449@gmail.com>

Hi Ingo,

On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 09:46 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> > You are correct. Now I'm thinking that the WRITE_ONCE() is not needed,
> > and just a:
> > 
> > 	p->mm->numa_scan_seq = READ_ONCE(p->numa_scan_seq) + 1;
> > 
> > Can be done. But I'm still trying to wrap my head around why this is
> > needed here. Comments would have been really helpful. We should make
> > all READ_ONCE() WRITE_ONCE and obsolete ACCESS_ONCE() have mandatory
> > comments just like we do with memory barriers.
> 
> So the original ACCESS_ONCE() barriers were misguided to begin with: I 
> think they tried to handle races with the scheduler balancing softirq 
> and tried to avoid having to use atomics for the sequence counter 
> (which would be overkill), but things like ACCESS_ONCE(x)++ never 
> guaranteed atomicity (or even coherency) of the update.
> 
> But since in reality this is only statistical sampling code, all these 
> compiler barriers can be removed I think. Peter, Mel, Rik, do you 
> agree?

Though in the read side for accessing things such as numa_scan_seq, we
still want to keep them in order to guarantee that numa_scan_seq is only
loaded once right?

static void task_numa_placement(struct task_struct *p)
{
    ...

    seq = ACCESS_ONCE(p->mm->numa_scan_seq);
    if (p->numa_scan_seq == seq)
        return;
    p->numa_scan_seq = seq;

    ...
}


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-16  2:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-14 23:09 [PATCH 0/3] sched, timer: Improve scalability of itimers Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched, timer: Remove usages of ACCESS_ONCE in the scheduler Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:59   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15  2:12     ` Jason Low
2015-04-15  2:40       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15  7:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15 18:49           ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 19:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-16  2:46           ` Jason Low [this message]
2015-04-16 16:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-16 18:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 18:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-16 18:24                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 19:02                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-16 19:41                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-17  3:25                   ` Jason Low
2015-04-17  8:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 21:00                 ` Jason Low
2015-04-16  2:29         ` Jason Low
2015-04-16  2:37           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 2/3] sched, timer: Use atomics for thread_group_cputimer to improve scalability Jason Low
2015-04-15  7:33   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15  7:35     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15 17:14       ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 10:37   ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-04-15 19:09     ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 13:25   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-15 13:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-15 20:04       ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 14:23   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-04-15 21:15     ` Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched, timer: Use cmpxchg to do updates in update_gt_cputime() Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:53 ` [PATCH 0/3] sched, timer: Improve scalability of itimers Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15  7:24   ` Ingo Molnar

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