From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@scylladb.com>
Cc: avi@cloudius-systems.com, gleb@scylladb.com, corbet@lwn.net,
bruce.richardson@intel.com, mst@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alexander.duyck@gmail.com,
gleb@cloudius-systems.com, stephen@networkplumber.org,
vladz@cloudius-systems.com, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
hjk@hansjkoch.de, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] vfio: Include no-iommu mode
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:16:51 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1444598211.4059.291.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561A19DE.8040302@scylladb.com>
On Sun, 2015-10-11 at 11:12 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> On 10/09/2015 09:41 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > There is really no way to safely give a user full access to a PCI
> > without an IOMMU to protect the host from errant DMA. There is also
> > no way to provide DMA translation, for use cases such as devices
> > assignment to virtual machines. However, there are still those users
> > that want userspace drivers under those conditions. The UIO driver
> > exists for this use case, but does not provide the degree of device
> > access and programming that VFIO has. In an effort to avoid code
> > duplication, this introduces a No-IOMMU mode for VFIO.
> >
> > This mode requires enabling CONFIG_VFIO_NOIOMMU and loading the vfio
> > module with the option "enable_unsafe_pci_noiommu_mode". This should
> > make it very clear that this mode is not safe. In this mode, there is
> > no support for unprivileged users, CAP_SYS_ADMIN is required for
> > access to the necessary dev files.
>
> CAP_SYS_RAWIO seems a better match (in particular, it allows access to
> /dev/mem, which is the same thing).
Sure, that seems reasonable.
> > Mixing no-iommu and secure VFIO is
> > also unsupported, as are any VFIO IOMMU backends other than the
> > vfio-noiommu backend. Furthermore, unsafe group files are relocated
> > to /dev/vfio-noiommu/. Upon successful loading in this mode, the
> > kernel is tainted due to the dummy IOMMU put in place. Unloading of
> > the module in this mode is also unsupported and will BUG due to the
> > lack of support for unregistering an IOMMU for a bus type.
>
> I did not see an API for detecting whether memory translation is
> provided or not. We can have the caller guess this by looking at the
> device name, or by requiring the user to specify this, but I think it's
> cleaner to provide programmatic access to this attribute.
The VFIO user can probe and needs to set the IOMMU model in use before
they can access a device file descriptor. In this mode, the
VFIO_NOIOMMU_IOMMU is the only model available, which as proposed here
provides no translation, and in fact no mapping ioctls. Thanks,
Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-11 21:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-09 18:40 [RFC PATCH 0/2] VFIO no-iommu Alex Williamson
2015-10-09 18:41 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] vfio: Move vfio.c vfio_core.c Alex Williamson
2015-10-09 19:21 ` Greg KH
2015-10-09 18:41 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] vfio: Include no-iommu mode Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 8:12 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-11 8:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 9:03 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-11 9:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 9:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-11 21:16 ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2015-10-12 15:56 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-12 16:23 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-12 16:31 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-12 16:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-12 17:46 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-12 18:08 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 17:29 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] VFIO no-iommu Varun Sethi
2015-10-11 18:23 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 18:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 18:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 19:25 ` Alex Williamson
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