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From: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
	Rajaram R <rajaram.officemail@gmail.com>,
	Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@linux.intel.com>,
	Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com>,
	Mathias Nyman <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 09:43:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1464853425.2189.3.camel@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <574FD43E.9080305@roeck-us.net>

On Wed, 2016-06-01 at 23:37 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> On 06/01/2016 11:24 PM, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> > On Wed, 2016-06-01 at 06:34 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> >> The class code would not explicitly learn about the reset,
> >> but it would be informed about the exited modes.
> >
> > That has drawbacks
> >
> 
> Playing devils advocate a bit here
> 
> > - it doesn't tell you what caused the mode to be left (if you
> >    UFP, it may be the regular command)
> 
> Does it matter ?

Potentially yes. Should you restore the last state when the mode
is reentered? If it caused the other side to reset, probably not.

> > - it is a race against your own command
> 
> It is my understanding that races have to be resolved by the drivers,
> since the typec code does not do any locking. This is quite similar
> to handling, say, a request to change the vconn source or to change
> the power role. Am I missing something ?

Yes. There is a fundamental race between Exit Mode and reset if you
only report leaving a mode. Drivers can do nothing to prevent it
unless reporting resets by themselves.

> > - it does not work if you are in basic USB mode
> >
> Would alternate modes be active in that case ?

No and that is the point. A reset happens, presumably because the
other side saw an error condition and we just blindly continue
because no Alternate Mode was left and our user space remains
uninformed.

	Regards
		Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-02  7:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-19 12:44 [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 14:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-20 11:24   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 13:37     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-21  5:51       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-21  6:43         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-22 15:54           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23  5:34             ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 13:27               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23 13:58                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 14:43                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23 15:55                     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 16:52                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-24 10:08                         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-24 10:18                           ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-24 11:04                             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 14:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-19 15:43   ` Greg KH
2016-05-20 10:58     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 17:53 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-20 10:47   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 17:02     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23  9:23       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 14:19 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23  9:57   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-23 11:25     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 17:09       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-24  9:06         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-24  9:32       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-24 12:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-25 11:28   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 15:19     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:30       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-24 13:42 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 11:30   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 13:12     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-24 19:28 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 11:51   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 13:21     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 14:04       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 14:20         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-25 14:59           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:29             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH] usb: typec: Various API updates and fixes Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:55   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-27 14:06     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-30 12:48       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-30 13:19 ` [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-30 13:59   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-31  8:31     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31  8:48       ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-31 12:09         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31 12:43           ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31 17:20             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-01  8:23               ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-01  8:31                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01  9:04                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01 13:34                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  6:24                     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-02  6:37                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  7:43                         ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2016-05-31 17:14       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-01  9:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01 23:29   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  6:30     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-02  8:27       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-02 10:18     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-02 16:12       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-03 13:21         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 13:51           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-03 15:17             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 18:39               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-06 13:28                 ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 13:35                   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-07  8:23                     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-07 16:57                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  8:02   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 20:20 ` Pavel Machek
2016-06-06 13:45   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 14:41     ` Greg KH
2016-06-07  8:25       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 16:02     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-10 14:34 ` [RFC PATCHv3] " Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-11  7:05   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-11 18:03     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-13  7:49       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-13  7:48     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-21 13:08 ` [RFC PATCHv2] " Oliver Neukum
2016-06-21 13:24   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-21 19:43     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-21 21:37       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-21 13:58   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-21 20:43     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-22  9:31       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-22 10:08         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-22 11:19           ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-08-07 21:37           ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-08  8:52             ` Oliver Neukum

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